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| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5007 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes  Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 1 of 11 01 April 2015 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Dear Spanish natives, speakers, or fellow learners.
I am very interested in learning passively some other dialects of Spanish than the two that are mostly heard in the media, movies, tv series, news. Both standard european Spanish and the Latin American variant created to more or less cover the whole contient when it comes to tv, those are easy to understand thanks to the huge amounts of media available. It is just a matter of time to get near to perfect comprehension. But what about the others? I noticed recent advice on a Puerto Rican radio and such sources in other threads. Are there as well good national tvs and movies/tv series representing national dialects? And something even more important to me, are there such sources for other european Spanish variants, such as Andalusian? I would really like to understand someone from Malaga just as well as someone from Oviedo next time I get the opportunity but I don't know where to look for sources. Thanks in advance for any tips. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4637 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 2 of 11 01 April 2015 at 5:43pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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For Andalusian accents you may want to check out the website of Canal Sur, the regional TV station. While some of their presenters speak standard Spanish, there are programmes where local people speak with the particular accent of their province/city. An example would be the programme Campechanos where local farmers talk about their life and their work.
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| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5260 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 3 of 11 01 April 2015 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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For Caribbean accents- there is La Tremenda Corte- not TV but a 55-60 year old pre-revolutionary Cuban radio show that is still broadcast to this day on Latin American and US radio stations. The humor is timeless and very Cuban. When you get to where you can understand "Trespatines", you will have mastered the Cuban accent!
Fear not. There are transcripts for at least 3 episodes available. Check out the episodes link and look for "leer guión". Radio Mambí from Miami has digitally remastered a few episodes. Each episode is 12-15 minutes long and features a "case" with the Judge, the complainants and the accused- always Trespatines. Trespatines and el Señor Juez often play with the Spanish language to hilarious result. "A la reja!" After the Cuban Revolution, the main stars and writers moved to Mexico and made a black and white TV show but it somehow just doesn't quite compare to the original. Episodes are available on youtube. Edited by iguanamon on 01 April 2015 at 7:46pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4288 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 4 of 11 01 April 2015 at 9:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I think that you are referring to RTVE news like standard Peninsular and then outlets
like Mexican news Univisión and Telemundo as standard Latin American accent. But then you cana lso find stuff like Telesur, which although news, has a Venezuelan accent since it is hosted there. It sounds regional, as in, most Spaniards and Latin Americans would recognise it as being from only that region. You can try Todo Noticias, which I watch every night. It is news from Argentina, but also with interviews, talk shows, discussions, etc., and the news is quite informal compared to most places, so you get to hear Rioplatense accent and colloquialisms despite it being a news network. They even play Katy Perry's "Eye of the Tiger" during the weather forecast sometimes. It is kind of like fun news. It is not rare to hear this during the midnight forecast for the next day: "Mañana con lluvias pero luego con un máximo de 34 grados..." "...'cos I've got the Eye of the Tiger..." Edited by 1e4e6 on 01 April 2015 at 9:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5007 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 5 of 11 02 April 2015 at 1:51am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Thanks a lot for the tips, I'll try them out.
My usual sources is not only rtve.es (even thought that is my favourite resource and will be for some time). Dubbed movies and tv series are in the standard european or the "standard" LA variant. And books are of course more standard. I wonder, now that I think of it, do the latin american variants of Spanish differ from the european Spanish in books as well? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4634 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin | Message 6 of 11 02 April 2015 at 2:49am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Yes, some books are. Garcia Marquez uses a lot of vocabulary specific to Colombia in his works, just as Roberto Bolano uses a good amount of words used only in Chile or some of its surrounding areas (if 2666 & The Savage Detectives are anything to go by). Argentine writers use "vos" with much of their regionalisms as well. From what I've seen so far(take this with a grain of salt), Spain and Mexico tend to use the most neutral language possible as far as literature is concerned. Edited by sillygoose1 on 02 April 2015 at 2:50am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| James29 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5373 days ago 1265 posts - 2113 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French | Message 7 of 11 02 April 2015 at 12:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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El Capo is a very high quality series with actors that speak in the Medellin, Colombia accent.
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| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5224 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 8 of 11 04 April 2015 at 6:36am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I only read his Cien años de soledad some twenty years ago so I might be wrong or forgetting stuff, but I only remember a few regional words. Also, Argentinian writers are a mixed lot, just like every nationality in my experience: some revel in regionalisms, but some others drop any, notably translators. I ignore if that's a professional requirement in Argentina, publishing policy or personal choice, though.
That I fully agree with. I'm reading a Valencian writer who slipped a few Valencianisms in his novels, and I'm sure he'd have changed it, had it been pointed out to him -- he rewrote a good part of his longest novel series for the second edition at his own expense just to address some 'minor' problems. I really like his novels as they are, though, so I'm glad nobody did :)
Aside from specific vocabulary or expressions, the main difference between American and Spanish Spanish is the seseo, yeísmo, etc. which aren't usually reflected in writing, so not really. I just checked an Argentinian translation of Matheson's I'm Legend and I wouldn't have been able to tell where the translator was from judging from the text alone -- absolutely standard vocabulary there too.
As Ogrim said, try Canal Sur / A la carta. I'm actually surprised how good the RTVE site is, except for their habit of not archiving (and subsequent lack of) their most interesting broadcasts. If the RTVA web is close to that, you'll find loads of genuine Andalusian accents if you are ready to subject yourself to watching really terrible programs or spend endless hours looking for something decent. BTW, American Spanish accents have fundamental roots in Andalusian, so it's not exactly a 'European' thing. However, I wonder what the deal with accents really is, or if we are improperly lumping together different things. I'm no 'accent expert' but I have never had serious problems understanding other Spanish accents, even 'extreme' variants like what you hear in the Carnival of Cádiz -- no problems because of the accent itself, mind you. Of course I don't understand people when they mumble, but that's not what I would call an accent -- if I can't recognize a word because somebody shuffles, swaps, distorts or somehow fuses phonemes, that's one thing, but if I can't recognize the sounds used to form it so I can't even say it's one of a number of possibilities, I don't think the ball is on my court. When I read things like this quote on another thread:
I wonder who makes all of that stuff up. If inhabitants of a certain area often pronounce sloppily that's one thing and no big deal, because those words can hardly ever be mixed up. However, I'm sure even those Mexicans will ask "¿dijo usted pecEs o pesOs?" or anything to that effect the very second they are confused -- I find hard to believe there's a single speaker who doesn't know these are two different words (not one with two meanings) no matter how similarly they pronounce them every day. I would hardly call mumbling a 'language feature'. I would say I have a problem with an accent if people understand one another but I don't understand them (vocabulary problems aside). However, when somebody says something their own folks will have problems to understand, the problem is not an accent, but speech. I think if we think of an accent in terms of shared, unambiguous pronunciation patterns, once you know what to expect you should have no problems after relatively little practice. However, it's been twenty years again since I last had all those philological terms choked down my throat, and I have at least one term ("habla") for which the closest I can come in English is "speech", which doesn't sound even remotely right, so maybe we can get to better working definitions, or you may want to elaborate and give us a better perspective on your issues with accents. I leave you now with an Andalusian guy who is a pleasure to hear (if you can ignore the extremely annoying street and bar noise), full Andalusian accent on, telling a 10-minute anecdote on Andalusian, football, and two ill-mannered journalists: José María Pérez Orozco -- Un andaluz hablando del andaluz. And an easier (and much shorter!) one by the same guy: Andalusian triple negative. Edited by mrwarper on 04 April 2015 at 6:58am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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