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| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4288 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 9 of 11 04 April 2015 at 7:01am | IP Logged | ||||||||
This can also be noted when listening to Chilean accents, or Cuban or such. In addition to the obvious seseo, I heard on segunda temporada of Top Chef España, one of the judges spoke with a very distinct accent, that at first I thought, that it sounded quite Cuban-like, but obviously he was from Spain, most likely he was andaluz. Shortening the past participles "-ado" -> "ao", although in fast speech anyone does this, but I hear this with higher than usual frequency in Andalusian, as well as Chilean and Cuban accents. Also Andalusian and Cuban, Chilean, etc. is the dropping of the -s at the end of words, and sometimes in between words as well. Argentina and Uruguay however, have a very distinct accent from the rest of Latin America. Apart from the seseo, the entire rhythm sounds different. "y"/"ll" = "zh", amongst other things, the tone goes up and down with stress on various parts of the sentence, almost like Italian. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5007 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 10 of 11 04 April 2015 at 4:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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My main problem with the southern Spaniards is "sloppy" pronunciation. The people I heard
(all young ones studying university) just didn't pronounce last syllables or even more of each word. The accent was a bit different but that was a minor thing, compared to my main issue with these speakers. You know, during the month in Spain, I could understand quite everyone after a few days. Even people I heard for the first time, I could understand the Mexican girl as well without any problem. My only limitation was the vocabulary when speaking with all these people. But I couldn't understand much the few students from the south even at the end of the month I spent with them. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5224 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 11 of 11 05 April 2015 at 7:02pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Sorry, I know next to nothing about Chilean or Uruguayan accents, or Spanish TV beyond some news / political debate programs and Saber y Ganar -- 99% of the 'regular' stuff I watch is of foreign origin. WRT the Argentinian accent I hear it varies quite a bit (f.e. "y" and "ll" can be pronounced either /ʃ/ or /ʒ/ depending on location), kind of like the Andalusian "one", so it would probably be better to talk about Argentinian and Andalusian "accents", always in the plural. However, seemingly all Argentinian accents show a strong influence of the Italian wave of immigration of the 20th century, which gives them a lovely ting. The spoken Argentinian Spanish I am really familiar with is that used by Les Luthiers, a musical / humorous band that have been performing for some 40 years, maybe more. I recommend everyone interested in Spanish (or in Spanish accents, so as to address Cavesa's original question) to get hold of recordings, or preferably videos of their performances -- you'll find tons of both good humor and music of all styles, as well as challenging material for any intermediate and advanced Spanish learners, since they play a lot with language. I'm sure you'll find a lot for free in YouTube if you don't want to spend money on DVDs or CDs.
I can imagine. Most of the time the problem with Andalusian people is they improperly extend their accent pronunciation patterns into areas where this distorts words making recognition impossible outside very close groups -- which is usually laid on top of heavy use of highly local vocabulary, something to be naturally expected in such groups. This is often a consequence of remaining forever within the same circles -- if you meet Andalusian people who have traveled a bit you'll likely find exotic vocabulary and any extreme word distortion are quickly gone even if their accents remain. The videos featuring Mr. Orozco weren't a random choice, but an egregious example of impeccable Spanish with a heavy Andalusian accent on top. Did you check them out, did you have any problems with that? Now, I could go on on regular pronunciation patterns of Andalusian and other Spanish accents, what happens when they go out of hand, local vocabulary, and whatnot, but I'll spare you that unless you want to hear it -- after all, this is not a conference thread on accents, but one about media where they can be seen 'live'... Edited by mrwarper on 07 April 2015 at 9:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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