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| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4291 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 1 of 4 23 April 2015 at 4:24am | IP Logged |
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I was wondering how many native Hispanophones there are nowadays in the Philippines. I
have some family that live in the Philippines on one side of the family, whose parents and grandparents could not speak Tagalog beyond basic level(or any Filipino language like Bisaya) other than to do rudimentary communication at for example, a store. Their English was also even worse. They are native Hispanophones that are ethnically Spanish, and speak only Spanish at home and live in Northern Luzón. I think that they emigrated from Spain somewhere in the 1800s (but were not elite nor rich). How many in the Philippines share these characteristics? In general most Filipinos that I meet usually speak either Tagalog or another Filipino language like Pampangan or Bisaya, with some understanding of Spanish, but not at native level or even C1+. Also I should note that when I mean speak Spanish, I mean actual RAE-approved and understood Spanish like Spain and Latin America, not like the dialect Chavacano in Zamboanga. I know that most Filipinos can do basic Spanish, but how many actually speak Spanish as L1 (regardless of whether they are ethnically fully Spanish or not)? Edited by 1e4e6 on 23 April 2015 at 4:28am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
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| Duke100782 Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Philippines https://talktagalog.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4489 days ago 172 posts - 240 votes Speaks: English*, Tagalog* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin | Message 3 of 4 25 April 2015 at 2:52am | IP Logged |
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Great question. Are there any native heritage-Spanish speakers left in the Philippines? I've often wondered
about this myself and on my end I've done some rudimentary Internet research on this, but the picture is still quite hazy. I've joined a FaceBook group of Spanish speakers in the Philippines, which didn't quite give me a clear picture of things, and watched a YouTube video of an elderly Filipina woman who spoke Spanish natively as a heritage language interviewed by Spanish reporters, but beyond other than this I couldn't find any sources. While the Wikipedia article tells me there are still some native heritage Spanish speakers left in the Philippines, it's hard to imagine someone in year 2015 in the Philippines who is one. Of course, growing up in the Philippines I've heard of this or that person whomhas a grandmother that speaks Spanish natively, but I've never met these people and verified this. This is something I'd like to do more research on. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4291 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 4 of 4 25 April 2015 at 5:39am | IP Logged |
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I always found it hard to qualify the number, because I do not know how exactly people
consider themselves as Hispaniphones there. Some Filipinos who live, for example, in the UK or USA said that they know some Spanish from childhood, but I tried talking to them in Spanish and they had big problems, likewise they cannot read nor write nor hold conversations with native Hispanophones. Usually in this case they have Tagalog or another language as native and some level of Spanish as L2 (or L3). Tagalog has a large number of Spanish loanwords, but they cannot possibly be said to know Spanish natively just because of this phenomenon. I imagine that passive skills are much higher, because the Pope gave speeches in Spanish during a visit to the Philippines. At least abroad, I have not met Filipinos who speak Spanish in the house because that is their linguistic tradition, disregarding those who emigrate to Spain and have to learn Spanish to live in the country and communicate with their children. In this case it would not be their native language anyway. I found a video about some native Hispanophones in the Philippines, but they are very elderly. Some use la distinción but one did not. I am not sure if the native Hispanophones emigrated, but I have yet to met a Filipino that speaks Spanish as L1 like if one met an immigrant from Spain or Latin America (whilst simultaneously having English and Tagalog only has L2 and L3 and never use them at home). I have never been to the Philippines, so I have no idea how the actual situation is there regardless of the statistics. Edited by 1e4e6 on 25 April 2015 at 5:54am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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