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exscribere Diglot Senior Member IndiaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5270 days ago 104 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Danish Studies: Mandarin, French, Korean, Hindi
| Message 9 of 18 07 July 2010 at 3:10pm | IP Logged |
I've started sourcing my vocabulary from alternate locations -- reading the newspapers (English language so far), but some transliterated Hindi words do crop up, and then get subsumed into my Anki deck. There's a comfort to knowing that I can at least ask the names/identities of objects in Hindi to expand my vocabulary, and that due to the orthography I can have people write down a word and I'll know exactly how to pronounce it... but there's yet a dearth of audio support, and I'm finding there's only so much Bollywood I can take, and not a lot of Hindi-language podcasts, and the Indian radio station (All India Radio) has no streaming/available audio programs right now.
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| CaucusWolf Senior Member United States Joined 5263 days ago 191 posts - 234 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Arabic (Written), Japanese
| Message 10 of 18 07 July 2010 at 10:34pm | IP Logged |
Is "Modern Standard Hindi" The equivalent to MSA? Because I've never heard the term used for other languages but then again I've only studied MSA and some Spanish in High school.
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| exscribere Diglot Senior Member IndiaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5270 days ago 104 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Danish Studies: Mandarin, French, Korean, Hindi
| Message 11 of 18 08 July 2010 at 12:07am | IP Logged |
CaucusWolf wrote:
Is "Modern Standard Hindi" The equivalent to MSA? Because I've never heard the term used for other languages but then again I've only studied MSA and some Spanish in High school. |
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I'm not sure what you mean by MSA (Modern Standard Arabic?). The "Modern Standard Hindi" would be the standardized form of Hindi, what's determined as the 'official' register of the language, based off of a particular dialect (Wikipedia says the one around Delhi). The book is a bit dated, as some language texts are (and my copy is on the sketchy side - cardboard pasted to the binding), but I think "Modern Standard *" is used for specification of a particular standardized version of a language when there are many dialects in use, but one is dominantly supported by the government or for educational purposes.
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| CaucusWolf Senior Member United States Joined 5263 days ago 191 posts - 234 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Arabic (Written), Japanese
| Message 12 of 18 08 July 2010 at 12:41am | IP Logged |
exscribere wrote:
CaucusWolf wrote:
Is "Modern Standard Hindi" The equivalent to MSA? Because I've never heard the term used for other languages but then again I've only studied MSA and some Spanish in High school. |
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I'm not sure what you mean by MSA (Modern Standard Arabic?). The "Modern Standard Hindi" would be the standardized form of Hindi, what's determined as the 'official' register of the language, based off of a particular dialect (Wikipedia says the one around Delhi). The book is a bit dated, as some language texts are (and my copy is on the sketchy side - cardboard pasted to the binding), but I think "Modern Standard *" is used for specification of a particular standardized version of a language when there are many dialects in use, but one is dominantly supported by the government or for educational purposes. |
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Yea I meant was it similar to how Modern Standard Arabic is basically just used in TV and books but isn't used in regular situations like asking for directions etc. But yea you answered my question. Thanks.
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| exscribere Diglot Senior Member IndiaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5270 days ago 104 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Danish Studies: Mandarin, French, Korean, Hindi
| Message 13 of 18 03 September 2010 at 10:08pm | IP Logged |
I have been neglecting my studies, VERY badly, because of so much chaos in my life. I'm back to Square One - two
weddings, and then we were supposed to fly to India... and then there was diplomatic chicanery, and my husband is
still waiting for a letter from the Indian Ministry of Foreign Affairs saying they don't object to him applying for a
visa.
So... I've sort of been (no... I have...) been neglecting my studies due to frustration, rather than taking advantage of
the situation to get more Hindi under my belt. That's changed - I'm buckling down with Elementary Hindi by
Richard Delacy, and very happy with it and its audio. now, my biggest problem is that there's no one to speak with!
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| McSensei Newbie United States Joined 5247 days ago 28 posts - 32 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French
| Message 14 of 18 04 September 2010 at 8:48am | IP Logged |
My fiancée is a native speaker of Hindi so I have many materials on it, even though I'm not actively studying. I
find Linguaphone's Hindi course to be excellent. Richard Delacy's book and workbook are of very high quality
(Though, it seems like the recordings may have been done by native speaking students of Richard's on a dime.
In any case, It's still good)
I also have a copy of Ernest Bender's Hindi Grammar and Reader. I love it, it's an amazing book full of so much to
learn. I got it on the suggestion of Professor Alexander Arguelles, who cited that the book had helped his father
to learn hindi far more than any other book. The book is quite old now (It was published sometime during the
sixties) and it uses entirely Roman script, so no Devanagari. However, despite those two things, it's an excellent
book.
I am excited to find out that Michel Thomas's crew will be releasing a Hindi Foundation Course on September
24th. I have it pre-ordered.
You can also find some schoolbooks used by the Indian government online. There are school books for
standards I-XII (Think Grades 1-12) both on Hindi itself an in Hindi over other subjects.
Edited by McSensei on 04 September 2010 at 8:50am
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| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4900 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German
| Message 15 of 18 19 June 2011 at 12:59am | IP Logged |
You mentioned looking for text and audio. bbc.co.uk/hindi has both.
For L-R, there are several kids books called "Karadi Tales" with well-known stories (in India anyway) and a well-produced CD. If I remember right there are 4 regular Karadi Tales, and 3 or 4 Junior versions (which are dual language and a bit shorter).
When I lived in India, I used to listen to the cassette of a story, or of a few chapters of Snell, on my way to and from school.
Whenever they had a scholastic book fair at school, I'd trawl through the Hindi books for kids. A great publisher of kids books in India is the Children's Book Trust, and most of their books are like Rs 15. They cover a lot of topics such as history, folklore, and biography, as well as storybooks, and at a very wide range of levels.
I had a shelf of kids books arranged from easiest to hardest, and when I was at my best I was trying to read a couple pages a day. Here's the thing that's frustrating, but also helpful: even the simplest of children's books will have words I don't know. The educational philosophy for children's books in India seems to be the opposite to that of books in English. Rather than trying to make reading easier, they try to make it more educational, and will often use an obscure word in place of a commonly used word.
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| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4900 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German
| Message 16 of 18 19 June 2011 at 1:11am | IP Logged |
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Soldiering away with Anki flashcards. Debating on being an incredible masochist and creating a flashcard for every biconsonantal conjunct. Since, if memory serves, there are over 1000 of them... I'm probably going to start with the most-used 100 and add from there, in the event I decide I'm having recognition issues. It's daunting, to say the least, but after putting in a run of the consonants + a single run of the vowel diacritics, I can look at The Little Prince and recognize what vowels are where. |
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I just looked over this again, and I have to ask: why do you need to learn the conjuncts separately? Most of them simply lose the stem from the first consonant. There are a few exceptions of course, but they aren't hard to learn. In fact, reading Hindi was the easiest part for me to learn.
I can also touch type in Hindi, but that's a different story!
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