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| Desertbandit Groupie Netherlands Joined 5091 days ago 80 posts - 104 votes  Speaks: Arabic (Iraqi)* | Message 1 of 24 21 May 2011 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hello I am Desertbandit , and I have challenged myself to learn 3 out of the 5 (claimed
to be ) hardest languages . That is Japanese ,Manderine and ARabic. A bit of Background info: Arabic Technicially speaking I am already Intermediate in Arabic but that is because at home I mainly speak Arabic and I can already read all the letters and simple texts but there is allot of room for improvement I sometimes still feel like im lacking more specific vocabulary in conversation , and I believe reading should be done faster and more fluent. On top of that this language will always be important to me since I am a Muslim and I want to keep close ties to my roots even when I live in a totally different country. My ambition: Full fledged fluency equal to a native . For Japanese: in the past half year with allot of pain and struggle and cluelessness I could form some kind of fundemental basic in Japanese , It was my first language I tried to learn on my own and I did not knew how to do that exactly. Allot of my time was spent researching how to actually learn Japanese and narrowing down what resourches I should use . I wanted to learn this language because I admire the Japanese nation, in 50 years they went from poor to one of the world's richest countries and biggest economy . Being from Iraq a nation that is in a smilliar situation now I want to learn from the Japanese to maybe help my home country some how. Also their pop culture is pretty kickass. Ambition : Being able to understand all Japanese and being able to hold upper intermediate conversations. Manderin: Haven't really started with this one yet but there are allot of Chinese Immigrants here , and Manderin is a very usefull language so why..not? Ambidtions : Basic Converstaion level. Arabic learning plan For Arabic im doing sentences in Anki ( a pre made deck) to get my MSA up and going, it should also expand my vocabulary I hope. My method is read the sentence with correct pronounciation and then...define every word think and then translate.. To keep the Iraqi dialect still active I talk to my family ofcourse and my Iraqi friends. I also have ''Le petit prince'' in Arabic...I also plan on reading it some day -_- I wish there was more reading material in Arabic here . Call me crazy call me foolish but I believe cartoons are the best sourches to learn a language from I learned so many English through cartoons when I was little and I still trust that this still works . I have sattelite tv that receives Arabic Channels but forget that , I found this great website http://www.cartoonarabi.com/ IT HAS LIKE EVERY ARABIC DUBBED CARTOON EVER. JApanese learning plan : After allot of struggling and thinking I finally made up some kind of learning plan. I am currently on lesson 67 of Assimil Japanese with ease I plan to keep doing Assimil everyday till the end. I do not however put the sentences in flashcards or something, I just review the lessons allot by listening to it over and over I find that more enjoyable and I feel I am really learning something . Afterwards I plan to use ''an Introduction to intermediate Japanese'' Which is kind of like assimil but more in tradiditional textboox style and after THAT I plan to begin using ''breaking into Japanese Litrature'' and AFTER that I hope to use the book ''Read real Japanese'' . I know how to read Hiragana and a bit of Katakana (XD I kind of ignored this one so far to be honest) and I know like 150 Kanji so far . So to process my Kanji I use kanjidamage. Its like Heisgh's remember the kanji...but funny and better in my opinion I try to do 30 a day from now on . I try to read a few news articles in Japanese with furigana injection addon I have on Firefix and put interesting vocabulary in Anki . Next to that I just watch and listen to stuff in Japanese kind of like how I do with Arabic. Vocabulary For Japanese and Arabic I found out about this interesting and fun way to learn Vocabulary. You go that picture site called http://www.flickr.com/ and you browse random pictures, then you pick one you like and you start looking for all the things you can see in that picture... you write those down and then you look them up in your target language and add them to your Flashcards. 2 reasons this should work 1 You associate it with pictures and 2 Its more fun than boring textbook lists . Manderin No sure how to do that yet...but I think Ill take it slow and start with listening to Chinesepod and maybe do ''teach yourself Manderin'' or ''or Colloquial Chinese'' im not so sure. Manderin is on Low priority anyways I have a busy scedule so I try okeep Manderin a minimal for now..untill I reach a certain level in Arabic or Japanese. Talking about a busy Scedule I go to College full time and travel 2.5 hours a day total . This traveling time is excellent for language learning or School work, either way how I do it both actions free time for each other once I get home I try to devote 2 hours a day to language learning . OH yeah : I do not really study Grammar..I find that boring ...and not really helping me yet at all..I try to do it on the natural way for now.. So yeah wish me luck and I am always open for suggestion and advice so feel free to do so if you want. Edited by Desertbandit on 22 May 2011 at 10:50am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| zenmonkey Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6543 days ago 803 posts - 1119 votes 1 sounds Speaks: EnglishC2*, Spanish*, French, German Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew | Message 2 of 24 21 May 2011 at 11:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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Have you seen the website All Japanese All the Time? It might help you. Good luck!
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| Desertbandit Groupie Netherlands Joined 5091 days ago 80 posts - 104 votes Speaks: Arabic (Iraqi)* | Message 3 of 24 21 May 2011 at 11:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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@zenmonkey : Haha, yeah I know it , and as you might see I have taken a few ideas from Khatzumoto but Im not totally taking over his method , there are some things I do not agree with him.
And thank you for wishing me luck , oh and I also see that you are studying similiar languages good luck to you to . Anyways Saturday is coming to an end so time for a report on how it went today. Arabic: I just watched an episode of ''هايدي'' or ''Alps no Shōjo Heidi '' in Arabic. For a Show originally made for little girls I find this show pretty damn manly. I am already hooked to this show and will probaly follow it till the end . Watching Heidi made me feel good I understood it 98.5 precent maybe my Arabic is not so doomed after all . Other than that I noted some new Vocabulary in Anki and did like 36 sentences today. Japanese : I did the essentials , I did lesson 68 in assimil its getting really complex now but thats how I like it I also reviewed my Kanji I hope Ill do some new kanji tommorrow . Unfortunatly thats all I did for Japanese today I hope Ill get to do more for Japanese tomorrow . I also decided that I might pick up some manga . For Manderin: I think Ill listen to Chinesepod before going to bed maybe Funny that even on a free saturday you can be short on time . Edited by Desertbandit on 21 May 2011 at 11:32pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Desertbandit Groupie Netherlands Joined 5091 days ago 80 posts - 104 votes Speaks: Arabic (Iraqi)* | Message 4 of 24 22 May 2011 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | ||
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Excellent , Im up to 225 Kanji now and caught up onto allot of reviews maybe ill do some more kanji later on .
I Also did lesson 69 of Assimil and read through one article of Japanese. For Arabic I added a bit of new vocabulary to flashcards...but I think ill do some sentences. ALso: How could I have been ignoring Jisho.org this site is great. Edited by Desertbandit on 22 May 2011 at 4:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6573 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 5 of 24 22 May 2011 at 5:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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Okay, I can't help myself: There's no 'e' in "Mandarin".
You should get some nice vocab overlap between Japanese and Mandarin, and MSA should be very closely related to your mother tongue, so I think this is definitely doable, though it'll take some time. This is not to downplay the impressiveness of your undertaking, of course. With good abilities in those three languages you'll be the envy of polyglots everywhere! Out of curiosity: what are the other two "hardest languages"? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Desertbandit Groupie Netherlands Joined 5091 days ago 80 posts - 104 votes Speaks: Arabic (Iraqi)* | Message 6 of 24 22 May 2011 at 6:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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Oh God ..haha I am so Sorry yeah its Mandarin not Manderin, I think I confused it with the Dutch word for Mandarin ''Manderijn'' .
Anyways These are not my own words and I do not really believe them but according to Wikipedia the other 2 most difficult languages is Korean and Cantonese
And I see that you speak Mandarin and Cantonese Impressive man . edit: I forgot to say I somehow like this song I randomly found when typing ''まつり'' '"Matsuri'' in youtube. Its a word I came acrross it in a comic book . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQmxM_Ox9kY SO MANY QUESTIONS Why do I like this Song? How come this very young Girl has this kind of voice? Why does it almost sound Chinese? WHO IS THIS PERSON EXACTLY? HOW EPIC ARE 大漁まつり ANYWAYS? Edited by Desertbandit on 22 May 2011 at 6:49pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Desertbandit Groupie Netherlands Joined 5091 days ago 80 posts - 104 votes Speaks: Arabic (Iraqi)* | Message 7 of 24 22 May 2011 at 10:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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I found a great place for free graded readers in Arabic all the way from grade 1 till 4 .
This should serve me well Arabic graded readers 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| strikingstar Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5164 days ago 292 posts - 444 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese, Swahili Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 8 of 24 23 May 2011 at 12:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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Oohh, thanks for the link to those books.
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