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espejismo Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5055 days ago 498 posts - 905 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Greek, Azerbaijani
| Message 25 of 46 10 August 2011 at 4:15pm | IP Logged |
Mad Max wrote:
In short, if the tendency continues, Spanish will be more spoken than Russian in the coming years in Germany. |
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While Spanish might continue to gain popularity in Germany, I believe that Russian will still be "more spoken" there. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Germany allowed the repatriation of ethnic Germans that lived in Kazakhstan, Russia, etc. A large number of Soviet Jews also chose to immigrate to Germany. I don't know the exact numbers, but they are significant.
Edited by espejismo on 10 August 2011 at 4:16pm
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| Matheus Senior Member Brazil Joined 5085 days ago 208 posts - 312 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: English, French
| Message 26 of 46 10 August 2011 at 8:28pm | IP Logged |
jean-luc wrote:
If you don't have any interest in the language and don't need to know it, why bother learning it ? Life is to short to be spent on uninteresting (for you) and useless (for you) stuff. |
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Maybe I'd have better job opportunities, but that would be the only reason. If Spanish was the language of video games, the language of music that I listen (besides Japanese), the language of every electronic I have ever bought, the language I already used successfully to speak with Germans, Swedes, Poles, French, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and even people from Spain, than I'd be very motivated to learn it.
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| resinteralios Newbie Brazil Joined 4904 days ago 7 posts - 12 votes Studies: English
| Message 27 of 46 10 August 2011 at 8:42pm | IP Logged |
Matheus wrote:
Maybe I'd have better job opportunities,(...) |
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In my experience, in order to stay properly motivated, your goals need to be concrete. I wouldn't be able to study a language just for CV padding.
Focus on getting a specific job that will surely require you to know Spanish and then you will have a lot more incentive than trying to learn it for an abstract and uncertain reason.
Edited by resinteralios on 10 August 2011 at 8:43pm
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| Mad Max Tetraglot Groupie Spain Joined 5055 days ago 79 posts - 146 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, Russian Studies: Arabic (classical)
| Message 28 of 46 11 August 2011 at 12:31am | IP Logged |
I think that this is a good motivation for Brazilians:
I usually travel around Europe and North Africa. When I am in France, Andorra, Italy, Portugal, Morocco, Tunisia, etc I can speak in Spanish a lot of times. There is almost always at least one person in hotels that speak some Spanish.
When I am in Central Europe, Spanish is less common, but I could also speak Spanish in countries like Austria, Czech Rep. or Hungary (capitals).
In USA, Spanish is very spoken in cities like New York, San Antonio (Texas), Miami(Florida), Albuquerque (New Mexico), Los Angeles, etc.
So, if the Brazilians want to travel (business or holidays) to North America, Europe, North Africa (Canary islands, Morocco, etc) and South America with a language than they can study in 5 months, that's only Spanish.
PD. The same for Italians (in 1 year more or less).
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| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5266 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French)
| Message 29 of 46 11 August 2011 at 2:18am | IP Logged |
Matheus wrote:
Maybe I'd have better job opportunities, but that would be the only reason. If Spanish was the language of video games, the language of music that I listen (besides Japanese), the language of every electronic I have ever bought, the language I already used successfully to speak with Germans, Swedes, Poles, French, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and even people from Spain, than I'd be very motivated to learn it. |
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Since everyone speaks English, boy did I make a huge mistake and "waste" my time learning Spanish- if I'd only known! What was I thinking?
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| amethyst32 Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5653 days ago 118 posts - 198 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, French
| Message 30 of 46 11 August 2011 at 5:56pm | IP Logged |
Hi Matheus,
Matheus wrote:
But, here is the thing, I'm not even a little interested... I'd like to be fluent because it would be a piece of cake, but I don't have motivation... I don't feel like studying it. |
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If Spanish really just seems like funny Portuguese to you, then I don't even think you'd need to go hard on the "studying"; you should be able to pick it up mostly through immersion. If you're not keen on the sound of Spanish then just fake it in the beginning. What I mean by that is you need to just put the dislike to one side as a way to get you started, and you might be surprised to find that it doesn't return. There was a time not so long ago when I didn't like the sound of German (and I'm saying this quietly because I'm aware of the "Ever criticised...." thread which is still going strong!), but I started studying it at a basic level because I was curious about how exactly how it relates to English and also because I have some German speaking friends, and guess what? I found that I actually quite liked it - even the sound - once I got going. So the lesson here is if you really want to learn Spanish, then find a way to just get on with it and as they say don't knock it until you've (seriously) tried it. ¡Buena suerte! :)
Edited by amethyst32 on 11 August 2011 at 5:58pm
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| Matheus Senior Member Brazil Joined 5085 days ago 208 posts - 312 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: English, French
| Message 31 of 46 11 August 2011 at 7:42pm | IP Logged |
iguanamon wrote:
Matheus wrote:
Maybe I'd have better job opportunities, but that would be the only reason. If Spanish was the language of video games, the language of music that I listen (besides Japanese), the language of every electronic I have ever bought, the language I already used successfully to speak with Germans, Swedes, Poles, French, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and even people from Spain, than I'd be very motivated to learn it. |
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Since everyone speaks English, boy did I make a huge mistake and "waste" my time learning Spanish- if I'd only known! What was I thinking? |
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You misunderstood or I didn't make myself clear enough. I don't think everyone speaks English, what I said is that English being the world's most studied language, I had the opportunity to communicate with people from different countries and different native languages. It's one of the reasons why I am still motivated to improve my English.
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| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5266 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French)
| Message 32 of 46 11 August 2011 at 9:19pm | IP Logged |
Sorry, Matheus, I misunderstood.
Yes, English is the international language and it allows you to speak to many people from many different countries who can speak it as a second language. I'm lucky, I got it for free. You're right, the Spanish-speaking world doesn't have anything like the Hollywood film/music industry and isn't developing best-selling video games. Then again neither is the English-speaking world creating poets like Pablo Neruda, writers like Gabriel García Márquez or singers like Héctor Lavoe, Estrella Morente or Célia Cruz.
I'm just saying that I enjoy being able to speak Spanish as it allows me to communicate with a broader range of people than just those who happen to be able to speak English. I love the culture and the people. That's why I'm learning Portuguese as well. Many people whose native language is not English can speak English, also, there are many, many more people who can't speak English. That's why I'm also learning Portuguese. Speaking Spanish makes learning Portuguese much easier for me and it also makes my life as a citizen of the Americas infinitely richer. After I learn Portuguese, French is next or maybe even Papiamento, both of which would be useful to me here in the Caribbean.
No one can motivate you to learn a language that you have no interest in learning- you have to want it. It seems that you lack motivation to learn Spanish and that's ok. Besides, you can already understand the gist of the language, if not the nuance. Your English is excellent and doesn't need much improvement! Good luck with your future studies.
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