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| zorglub Pentaglot Senior Member France Joined 7000 days ago 441 posts - 504 votes  1 sounds Speaks: French*, English, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: German, Arabic (Written), Turkish, Mandarin | Message 1 of 10 08 August 2011 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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hello,
As a low grade rookie, I dare ask: Why is the л not prnounced in пожалуйста ? It sounds like in intermediate of paja-osta and paja-oosta THANKs Z Edited by zorglub on 08 August 2011 at 2:49pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5599 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 2 of 10 08 August 2011 at 2:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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You can hear here many samples of пожалуйста. My impression, too, was always that the й is silent.
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| zorglub Pentaglot Senior Member France Joined 7000 days ago 441 posts - 504 votes 1 sounds Speaks: French*, English, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: German, Arabic (Written), Turkish, Mandarin | Message 3 of 10 08 August 2011 at 2:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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OOPS !
My question is actually: hello, As a low grade rookie, I dare ask: Why is the л not prnounced in пожалуйста ? It sounds like in intermediate of paja-osta and paja-oosta THANKs Z
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| zorglub Pentaglot Senior Member France Joined 7000 days ago 441 posts - 504 votes 1 sounds Speaks: French*, English, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: German, Arabic (Written), Turkish, Mandarin | Message 4 of 10 08 August 2011 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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Funny site.
Indeed all speakers drop the л Assimil Russian does not comment and also drops the л Is there a rule to also drop the л ?
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5381 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 5 of 10 08 August 2011 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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I hear the l in all recordings.
There is a stressed syllable just before, so you'd expect the following syllables to be much weaker, but the l is still there. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| s0fist Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5046 days ago 260 posts - 445 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Sign Language, German, Spanish, French | Message 6 of 10 08 August 2011 at 4:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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To my ears the sound of l is present in пожалуйста in general and all the sound clips linked above.
I'm just a native speaker, not a linguist but perhaps you need to go over the phonology of Russian (again if you've done so before) and listen to more minimal pairs and compare those with your native language. There's more than one l in Russian, and it's not exactly the same as in French. Read about l, lʲ and dark l on wikipedia it has some sounds as well. Note, in пожалуйста there's a quick succession from л to у, which are produced from very close positions in the mouth except you open the airway for the vowel, and particularly while sometimes there's a little flick of the tongue at the end when you release tongue from the roof of the mouth for the consonant l, there's not one here, so you might miss the л for the у. Listen to the links above until you can where the l begins and where the l ends and u begins. Alternative pronunciation is to forego у and meld the consonants into a cluster лст. Maybe you'd hear the l more clearly in this case. And finally for an exercise, try to stretch an l: start the sound and don't stop as if it were a vowel, and don't flick off your tongue at the end. Good luck in your studies! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Spiderkat Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5812 days ago 175 posts - 248 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Russian | Message 7 of 10 08 August 2011 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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How about this site, maybe you can hear the Л better.
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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5228 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 8 of 10 08 August 2011 at 7:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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I always figured that pronunciation of pozhaliuysta diverges from the spelling, which isn't uncommon with the most common words in the language. Cf. the strange (v) sound in the English "of".
But I always hear the "l" sound. If I had to spell it phonetically, it'd be something like "po-zhal-sta," with a syllable getting swallowed up by the "l." The effect is close to the "au" sound in English: po-zhau-sta--but distinct. Cf. "owl" with "ow" in English--close, but not quite the same. Brief touch of the tongue on the palate in the former. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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