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| CommanderK Bilingual Triglot Newbie Israel melearninglanguages. Joined 5193 days ago 24 posts - 25 votes Speaks: Modern Hebrew*, Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 1 of 23 14 August 2011 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi, can anyone tell what's his opninion on these 2 guides?
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/reviews/irish.htm http://www.standingstones.com/gaelpron.html Thanks :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5060 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 2 of 23 14 August 2011 at 8:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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The first guide is about nothing. The second is more correct, but Irish and English have
very different phonology, so you are not likely to be understood by a native Irish speaker without special training. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5060 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 3 of 23 14 August 2011 at 8:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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I can add that slender consonants are like Russian soft and broad are like Russian hard.
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| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5603 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 4 of 23 14 August 2011 at 11:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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There are many things, which are wrong ("slender ch is pronounced the same as broad ch") and some descriptions, which are hard to understand, if you have never heard the sound ("gh like "ch" but based on a "g" sound).
You cannot base the pronunciation of Irish on English phonology (Irish x = English y), they are too different. Edited by Cabaire on 14 August 2011 at 11:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| The Stephen Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5056 days ago 65 posts - 77 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Czech, Hungarian | Message 5 of 23 15 August 2011 at 4:11am | IP Logged | ||
Wouldn't some of that depend quite a bit on the dialect? I've heard that the three dialects differ quite significantly in pronunciation. In any case, I believe a learner would be much better off just listening to audio at first. Ideally learn a dialect audio-only pretty well before even looking at the written language, although I'm not aware of any extensive audio-only courses for Irish unfortunately. I'm just warning you that reading about Irish pronunciation can become pretty overwhelming. There are rules, but there are many, many rules. Take it slow and listen a lot. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| CommanderK Bilingual Triglot Newbie Israel melearninglanguages. Joined 5193 days ago 24 posts - 25 votes Speaks: Modern Hebrew*, Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 6 of 23 15 August 2011 at 7:22am | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you all for the answers, can you recommend a good Irish pronunciation guide? I have
Colloquial Irish but I don't know how much material on pronunciation there is, because for me one of the most important things in any language I learn is mastering the pronunciation. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5603 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 7 of 23 15 August 2011 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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If you have chosen a specific dialect, there is a whole series of detailed phonetic descriptions called "The Irish of ..."
As I intend to emulate the Irish of Munster, I follow the rules given in "The Irish of West Muskerry" written by Brian Ó Cuív, published by the Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies.
Some things do, some do not. E.g. slender ch is in no dialect like broad ch. Edited by Cabaire on 15 August 2011 at 12:08pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6707 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 8 of 23 15 August 2011 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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You can listen to short passages at www.abair.tcd.ie - the kind of Irish they use is called "Gaoth Dobhair" and I have no idea where or what it is (it is translated as "gweedore" by Google translate which doesn't help me much). But the synthesizer functions well.
However I have personally suspended my study of Irish temporarily until I somehow can find a lot of spoken Irish with both transcription and translations (essentially to do some L-R). With a language whose spelling is as quaint as the Irish one and with phonological rules that are complicated (to say put it mildly) you NEED to hear a lot of it. I had to conclude that just learning Irish from books would be possible, but leave me with a language that only existed in its written form. Btw. I think it would be positively dangerous to use the slender/broad consonants of Russian as a guide to Irish pronunciation. EDIT: in FAQ I found this: "The Cabóigín voice speaks Ulster Irish, and there will be new Cabógaí that will speak the other main dialects. We are currently working on a speech synthesiser for Connaught Irish, and then we will turn to Munster Irish. " and also this: Why is the Gaoth Dobhair voice called "Cabóigín"? In Gaoth Dobhair Irish, someone who is always talking is called a "cabóg" ("clabaire" in other varieties of Irish, 'chatterbox'). In primary school in Gaoth Dobhair, "cabóg" was the nickname of of Ailbhe Ní Chasaide, director of the project Edited by Iversen on 15 August 2011 at 1:00pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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