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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5325 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 9 of 26 04 January 2011 at 11:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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What is the advantage of Goldlist compared to Anki?
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5325 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 10 of 26 08 January 2011 at 10:43am | IP Logged | ||
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How are you doing geordie, anything interesting we should know about? :)
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| geordie Diglot Newbie Canada Joined 5078 days ago 24 posts - 26 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian | Message 11 of 26 09 January 2011 at 7:11am | IP Logged | ||
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Sorry loyal followers! I've been busy with work and other things of late and haven't
had a chance to post. I've kept up with my studying though, which is the important thing, I guess. I've averaged about an hour and a half per day over the past week, though I've switched my study plan around a bit. I joined livemocha.com and started making friends and trying out the lessons on there. The social environment looks very promising in that there's a message function, a chat interface, and the site gets a lot of traffic (mostly young female students ;). Oh and I'm 21 btw). I hope it proves as good a tool as it seems, especially a couple months down the road when I can carry on a good conversation.
I haven't used Anki extensively, and I'm new to the Gold List method as well, but I'll have a go at answering. The way the Gold List method works is that you write out your word lists, 25 words on each page, in the top left corner in a column (and the translation into your own language). No need to make a concerted effort to memorize them, just write them out on a piece of paper (not on a computer... or typewriter), maybe say them out loud, etc. but don't repeat them over and over. Then 2 weeks to a month later, go back and see how many you remembered (passively) and choose the 18 that you remembered the worst to go on the top right of the page. Then let another 2 weeks to a month go by and go back and choose the 12 you remembered worst to put on the bottom right of the page. Then another 2 weeks to a month, and put the least remembered 9 (I find that 8 works better on my sheets so they're not as cramped) in a column in the bottom left (it's best if you put dates on the sublists/"distillations" as you go). You can keep doing more distillations in another booklet or on the next page, but by the time you get to the third distillation, you'll probably be familiar with most of the words anyway. The advantages I can see over Anki (just guessing here, I'm not the best person to ask) are that the Gold List ensures that the words are stored in your long term memory, so you're not tricked into believing you know words that you'll forget soon after. Also, it's handwritten, so there's more of a mind-muscle memory connection goin on. And it's quite efficient since you don't need to repeat them many times to ingrain the words in your memory. But Anki seems to have its advantages as well. If anyone has experience with both, and would like to shed some more light on this, please do :). I'd be interested as well. As for MY gold list experiment, I did the first distillation for my first two headlists yesterday, and surprisingly I remembered >30%, which is great news. I haven't done any Pimsleur recently since my mp3 player decided it would delete some of the lessons, at random, for no apparent reason :/ I've mostly been studying from a book my dad got me for Christmas, "Introduction to Russian", published in 1964. I hope the not much has changed since then. So far I seem to be understanding everything and picking it up quickly. One question for snovymgodom or anyone who may know: when does one use мало as opposed to немного? Or do they mean the same thing? Thanks, Geordie 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nogoodnik Senior Member United States Joined 5560 days ago 372 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, French | Message 12 of 26 10 January 2011 at 4:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Interesting summary of the Gold List method. I'll have to give it a try. Congrats on your steady progress
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5325 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 13 of 26 25 January 2011 at 9:53am | IP Logged | ||
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How are things? I am wating in excited anticipation for you next post :)
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| geordie Diglot Newbie Canada Joined 5078 days ago 24 posts - 26 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian | Message 14 of 26 26 January 2011 at 9:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've gotten a bit distracted lately with work and other things, so I haven't been doing
too much Russian. But I'm keeping up with pimsleur, and I'm going to focus on learning Russian grammar for the next little while to lay a good foundation. There's no point memorizing wordlists if I don't know how to use them in a sentence, or conjugate the verbs. I've also switched my focus a bit, in that I want to spend as much time on French as I spend on Russian. There are many French/English job opportunities that come up in my area, so it would be advantageous for me to hone my French skills as well. For French, I hope to find some people with whom I can Skype, or chat, as I don't have much left to gain from studying, or reading books. It's my oral skills that need the most work. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5325 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 15 of 26 31 January 2011 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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Vas y,Geordie, on est la pour te donner un coup de main (avec tout sauf les accents :)
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| geordie Diglot Newbie Canada Joined 5078 days ago 24 posts - 26 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian | Message 16 of 26 07 March 2011 at 7:53am | IP Logged | ||
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First off, I should say Добро пожаловать! to our new teammate Alex. Glad to have you on board.
I took a brief hiatus from studying Russian and got involved with other stuff (running a chess tournament with 200 kids, reapplying to university, making plans to move back to Toronto with my girlfriend, etc, etc) I quit my job recently (factory job, no big loss :D) and therefore I've had a lot more time to study Russian lately :). I've been averaging 2 to 3 hours of Russian a day. I realized I was wasting my time with livemocha. There's no use hoarding Russian speaking contacts if I'm too shy to talk to them. Hopefully I'll revisit it when I'm more proficient and less self conscious. Since I've mostly learned by ear up til now, my writing still needs a lot of work. My plan for the next couple months: Pimsleur I (1-2 lessons/day) Gold List (add 1 new headlist/day, catch up on distillations) Anki Living Language (~15 pg/day) Now that I have the time, I'm finding motivation and progress is coming easily. I only listen to the Pimsleur lessons once, and I rarely have to read anything more than once. I'm getting a pretty good grasp on the pronunciation I think. That's all for now. I'll try to post more often than once a month now that I'm less busy ;). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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