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rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6605 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian, English, German	Message 9 of 19 16 January 2011 at 1:55pm \| IP Logged
	Sjheiss, I looked a little bit ahead in my textbooks to see what awaits me and it looks that the verb system will be of the most interesting things about Georgian Grammar! Snovymgodom, I live in Central Ukraine, anyway a usual way to go from Ukraine to Georgia would be by plane. I have not been to Georgia, but I would love to go one day. From what I know, it is as safe as any other country. Good luck to you with your Russian! 1 person has voted this message useful
shawns Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5285 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Georgian	Message 10 of 19 16 January 2011 at 5:20pm \| IP Logged
	The verb system is very interesting and complex. Kiziria's introductory book just scratches the surface. I had thought that there was one way to mark the first person subject on the verbs, but then it turns out that there is a class of verbs that does it completely different. Late in Aronson's book, he explains how there are verbs whose root changes depending on number of subject or object. I went to Georiga last summer. I found it to be a safe country. I didn't encounter any problems. I'm not sure about traveling to Abkhazia. It sounds like that area can be dangerous because of the tensions between the armies there. There are reasonably priced tickets from Kiev direct to Tbilisi. 1 person has voted this message useful
rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6605 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian, English, German	Message 11 of 19 16 January 2011 at 6:31pm \| IP Logged
	Here is some information about learning hours in the first half of January: Beginner’s Georgian (further BG) – 3 hours, still at lesson 3. Einführung in die Georgische Grammatik (further EGG) – 7 hours, started lesson 8 today. Total – 10 hours I missed almost one week at the beginning of the year and managed to devote to Georgian about an hour on an average day of studies. It was sort of a trial period when I was trying to balance my studies of Georgian and other languages with my family life and work. I hope to be able to devote daily a minimum of 1 hour to the Georgian project. shawns, what materials do use? Had you started learning Geargian before you made the trip to Georgia, or was it the trip that actually prompted you to learn the language? 1 person has voted this message useful
rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6605 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian, English, German	Message 12 of 19 22 January 2011 at 5:28pm \| IP Logged
	Some update on my Georgian journey: EGS - 14 hours, at lesson 10 now BG - 5.5 hours, at lesson 4 now Total - 19.5 hours Lesson 8 EGS started with a general introduction into Georgian verbs, with repetition of the conjugation of transitive verbs in the present and contained rules for formation of the infinitive. Unlike in Indo-European languages, it is not the infinitive that is the base form for formation of different tenses but the stem of the verb in the present. The meaning of the infinitive also does not coincide with that in Indo-European languages. The Georgian infinitive is actually a so called verbal noun, thus "წერა" means not only "to write" but in the first place "the writing". Moreover it is also declined as a normal noun. Thus "I begin to write" is "მე ვიწყებ წერას(Accusative)" or literally "I begin the writing" and "I begin to write a letter" is "მე ვიწყებ წერილის (Genitive)წერას (Accusative)" or literally "I begin the letter's writing" Lessons 9 and 10 continued to dig deeper into verbs, but so far really nothing earth shattering grammar-wise. I have more problems to internalize the vocabulary for the exercises. But also here batoni Kita (in Georgian Mr and Mrs are usually followed by first names and not surnames) did a great job, I feel that the majority of the new words are really useful for everyday communication and very well-chosen. What is even more important, after they are introduced for the first time, they are repeated regularly in the following lessons. 1 person has voted this message useful
shawns Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5285 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Georgian	Message 13 of 19 24 January 2011 at 12:24am \| IP Logged
	I had studied Georgian a little before going to Georgia. My significant other is Georgian, and she wanted to go back this summer. That prompted the trip. I've been using Kiziria's book and Aronson's. I was using Hewitt's for a while before I realized that it was really bad. I think I made less progress than I expected while I was Tbilisi because I was using that book. My spoken Georgian is not that far along, although it is slowly improving. My reading is improving faster than the speaking. I'm almost done with Aronson's book. As soon as I finish it, I'm going to try to read chapter 1 of the Georgian translation of Harry Potter. Are you familiar with lib.ge? It is a repository of Georgian books, stories, etc. 1 person has voted this message useful
rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6605 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian, English, German	Message 14 of 19 27 January 2011 at 5:26am \| IP Logged
	Shawns, thank you for the link to lib.ge, I try to collect some Georgian links that might be interesting once I reach a level when I can actually make use of them. I've read also elsewhere very good reviews of Aronson’s book. My Georgian journey goes on slowly but surely EGS - 19 hours, i did some revision of earlier lessons and will be finishing lesson 10 today BG - 6 hour, at lesson 5 now Total - 25 hours The last lessons in EGS continue with verbs. I think I had an advantage when aspects of Georgian verbs were explained as there is the same grammar feature in Russian and Ukrainian. The meaning is practically identical in the three languages and the formation is probably even simpler in Georgian than in say Russian. In Georgian there is one way to form perfective verbs from imperfective - by adding certain prefixes, which you need to memorize for each particular verb. In Russian besides adding a prefix there are other possibilities - adding a suffix or just shifting stress which I think makes things more complicated. BG is slowed down as I put emphasis on internalizing grammar patterns from EGS 1 person has voted this message useful
polyglossia Senior Member FranceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5395 days ago 205 posts - 255 votes Speaks: French*	Message 15 of 19 30 January 2011 at 4:41pm \| IP Logged
	Hi rahdonit!! I'm just amazed!!! I always thought about learning georgian, first because the language has really nothing to do with the ones I studied before and second because of the writing (did you try armenian once???) Now, since you're russian, the writing is totally new for you, just like me with greek.. or hebrew. So, in this case I first (during three weeks) focus on the sound of language, meaning I' m listening and repeating... and learning sentences spoke out loud by a speaker (actually I 'm using a french method called 'le grec tout de suite') until I knom a whole bunch by heart... Since the learning of a new writing is sthg, I just wonder if you delved into this "writing process" since the beginning or did you do some "sound drills" before going into the "writing" process? Also, what kind of software do you use to write georgian letters?? Bon courage !!! 1 person has voted this message useful
rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6605 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian, English, German	Message 16 of 19 31 January 2011 at 7:18pm \| IP Logged
	Hi polyglossia, exactly these two reasons prompted me to take up Georgian. For me any language is an unsolved mystery, but a language that uses an unknown script doubles its attraction. I start to write in a new language from the very beginning. In addition to being beautiful, the Georgian script is also very logical - each letter represents one particular sound and there is nothing more to it. Writing is also important for my studies. I try to write at least half a page each day (you know about the scriptorium method) Unfortunately no time for Armenian… As to typing in Georgian - I use Windows Vista and it is already there, you just need to select Georgian as a set up language. 1 person has voted this message useful

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rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6605 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian, English, German	Message 9 of 19 16 January 2011 at 1:55pm \| IP Logged
	Sjheiss, I looked a little bit ahead in my textbooks to see what awaits me and it looks that the verb system will be of the most interesting things about Georgian Grammar! Snovymgodom, I live in Central Ukraine, anyway a usual way to go from Ukraine to Georgia would be by plane. I have not been to Georgia, but I would love to go one day. From what I know, it is as safe as any other country. Good luck to you with your Russian! 1 person has voted this message useful
shawns Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5285 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Georgian	Message 10 of 19 16 January 2011 at 5:20pm \| IP Logged
	The verb system is very interesting and complex. Kiziria's introductory book just scratches the surface. I had thought that there was one way to mark the first person subject on the verbs, but then it turns out that there is a class of verbs that does it completely different. Late in Aronson's book, he explains how there are verbs whose root changes depending on number of subject or object. I went to Georiga last summer. I found it to be a safe country. I didn't encounter any problems. I'm not sure about traveling to Abkhazia. It sounds like that area can be dangerous because of the tensions between the armies there. There are reasonably priced tickets from Kiev direct to Tbilisi. 1 person has voted this message useful
rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6605 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian, English, German	Message 11 of 19 16 January 2011 at 6:31pm \| IP Logged
	Here is some information about learning hours in the first half of January: Beginner’s Georgian (further BG) – 3 hours, still at lesson 3. Einführung in die Georgische Grammatik (further EGG) – 7 hours, started lesson 8 today. Total – 10 hours I missed almost one week at the beginning of the year and managed to devote to Georgian about an hour on an average day of studies. It was sort of a trial period when I was trying to balance my studies of Georgian and other languages with my family life and work. I hope to be able to devote daily a minimum of 1 hour to the Georgian project. shawns, what materials do use? Had you started learning Geargian before you made the trip to Georgia, or was it the trip that actually prompted you to learn the language? 1 person has voted this message useful
rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6605 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian, English, German	Message 12 of 19 22 January 2011 at 5:28pm \| IP Logged
	Some update on my Georgian journey: EGS - 14 hours, at lesson 10 now BG - 5.5 hours, at lesson 4 now Total - 19.5 hours Lesson 8 EGS started with a general introduction into Georgian verbs, with repetition of the conjugation of transitive verbs in the present and contained rules for formation of the infinitive. Unlike in Indo-European languages, it is not the infinitive that is the base form for formation of different tenses but the stem of the verb in the present. The meaning of the infinitive also does not coincide with that in Indo-European languages. The Georgian infinitive is actually a so called verbal noun, thus "წერა" means not only "to write" but in the first place "the writing". Moreover it is also declined as a normal noun. Thus "I begin to write" is "მე ვიწყებ წერას(Accusative)" or literally "I begin the writing" and "I begin to write a letter" is "მე ვიწყებ წერილის (Genitive)წერას (Accusative)" or literally "I begin the letter's writing" Lessons 9 and 10 continued to dig deeper into verbs, but so far really nothing earth shattering grammar-wise. I have more problems to internalize the vocabulary for the exercises. But also here batoni Kita (in Georgian Mr and Mrs are usually followed by first names and not surnames) did a great job, I feel that the majority of the new words are really useful for everyday communication and very well-chosen. What is even more important, after they are introduced for the first time, they are repeated regularly in the following lessons. 1 person has voted this message useful
shawns Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5285 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Georgian	Message 13 of 19 24 January 2011 at 12:24am \| IP Logged
	I had studied Georgian a little before going to Georgia. My significant other is Georgian, and she wanted to go back this summer. That prompted the trip. I've been using Kiziria's book and Aronson's. I was using Hewitt's for a while before I realized that it was really bad. I think I made less progress than I expected while I was Tbilisi because I was using that book. My spoken Georgian is not that far along, although it is slowly improving. My reading is improving faster than the speaking. I'm almost done with Aronson's book. As soon as I finish it, I'm going to try to read chapter 1 of the Georgian translation of Harry Potter. Are you familiar with lib.ge? It is a repository of Georgian books, stories, etc. 1 person has voted this message useful
rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6605 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian, English, German	Message 14 of 19 27 January 2011 at 5:26am \| IP Logged
	Shawns, thank you for the link to lib.ge, I try to collect some Georgian links that might be interesting once I reach a level when I can actually make use of them. I've read also elsewhere very good reviews of Aronson’s book. My Georgian journey goes on slowly but surely EGS - 19 hours, i did some revision of earlier lessons and will be finishing lesson 10 today BG - 6 hour, at lesson 5 now Total - 25 hours The last lessons in EGS continue with verbs. I think I had an advantage when aspects of Georgian verbs were explained as there is the same grammar feature in Russian and Ukrainian. The meaning is practically identical in the three languages and the formation is probably even simpler in Georgian than in say Russian. In Georgian there is one way to form perfective verbs from imperfective - by adding certain prefixes, which you need to memorize for each particular verb. In Russian besides adding a prefix there are other possibilities - adding a suffix or just shifting stress which I think makes things more complicated. BG is slowed down as I put emphasis on internalizing grammar patterns from EGS 1 person has voted this message useful
polyglossia Senior Member FranceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5395 days ago 205 posts - 255 votes Speaks: French*	Message 15 of 19 30 January 2011 at 4:41pm \| IP Logged
	Hi rahdonit!! I'm just amazed!!! I always thought about learning georgian, first because the language has really nothing to do with the ones I studied before and second because of the writing (did you try armenian once???) Now, since you're russian, the writing is totally new for you, just like me with greek.. or hebrew. So, in this case I first (during three weeks) focus on the sound of language, meaning I' m listening and repeating... and learning sentences spoke out loud by a speaker (actually I 'm using a french method called 'le grec tout de suite') until I knom a whole bunch by heart... Since the learning of a new writing is sthg, I just wonder if you delved into this "writing process" since the beginning or did you do some "sound drills" before going into the "writing" process? Also, what kind of software do you use to write georgian letters?? Bon courage !!! 1 person has voted this message useful
rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6605 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian, English, German	Message 16 of 19 31 January 2011 at 7:18pm \| IP Logged
	Hi polyglossia, exactly these two reasons prompted me to take up Georgian. For me any language is an unsolved mystery, but a language that uses an unknown script doubles its attraction. I start to write in a new language from the very beginning. In addition to being beautiful, the Georgian script is also very logical - each letter represents one particular sound and there is nothing more to it. Writing is also important for my studies. I try to write at least half a page each day (you know about the scriptorium method) Unfortunately no time for Armenian… As to typing in Georgian - I use Windows Vista and it is already there, you just need to select Georgian as a set up language. 1 person has voted this message useful