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| vikavictoria Pentaglot Groupie United States Joined 5049 days ago 49 posts - 74 votes  Speaks: Persian, English*, German, Spanish, Tajik Studies: Russian | Message 1 of 11 26 May 2011 at 3:50am | IP Logged | ||
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Hey, I just found this:
http://www.squidoo.com/rosetta-stone-vs-pimsleur scroll down till u find no-work Spanish. It is so dumb, and they say u should be passive first and just listen and learn...really? what do you all think? ~Vika 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sanghee Groupie United States Joined 5068 days ago 60 posts - 98 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Korean | Message 2 of 11 26 May 2011 at 4:43am | IP Logged | ||
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I went to their website and they let you download three chapters of one of their audiobooks for free. You can also view the pdfs for free. From what they say on their website, it seems like it should be fine for someone who knows no Spanish. I have never taken a Spanish class nor tried to learn Spanish on my own. I've listened to only the first chapter, first the English-Spanish and then the completely in Spanish one. As expected, I understood the English just fine, but the Spanish sounded like jibberish. My brain didn't magically connect the Spanish with the English like they said it should. So, it would definitely take some work for me to understand any of that. Of course, it might be better if I listened multiple times.. but they don't mention anything about that on their site. It's rather cheap though and I can imagine that it might help improve listening comprehension for more advanced learners of Spanish.
ETA: I looked a bit more at their website, it seems like it's intended for you to listen multiple times, but they don't outright say it [as least from what I saw]. They mention it being similar to listening to music in that you can pause it and you'll still be able to say the next line, so that implies repetition. I can't imagine that learning everything in those two audiobooks would allow someone to communicate though. Edited by Sanghee on 26 May 2011 at 4:55am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tbone Diglot Groupie United States Joined 4991 days ago 92 posts - 132 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian | Message 3 of 11 26 May 2011 at 4:44am | IP Logged | ||
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There are only two books for No-Work Spanish: "Yaks March On Washington" and "Poster Girl", which is for third-
graders. The author's claim of success is this: "After repeated listenings to the first two stories read in this format, Anne passed the New York State Spanish 3 Regents Listening Comprehension exam and decided to make No-Work Spanish into a product." Yaks March On Washington... edit: Oh, dear, "The Case of the Missing Poodle" is next. If I were serious about selling this method, I'd go to Gutenberg and record some classics and make those available. Or perhaps sell subscriptions to news readings. And branch out in languages. But I think this is more about selling her children's stories, not becoming a big mover-and-shaker in the language industry, so it's a clever idea. Edited by tbone on 26 May 2011 at 5:03am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| TerryW Senior Member United States Joined 6357 days ago 370 posts - 783 votes Speaks: English* | Message 4 of 11 26 May 2011 at 5:02am | IP Logged | ||
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Here's an excerpt that is posted on YouTube:
YouTube No-Work Spanish All 64 comments that say how much the video helped them learned Spanish were mystreriously posted "5 months ago," same as when the video was posted. No way will a complete beginner learn much Spanish from this, since it would require brute-force memorization of fast-spoken Spanish, which I doubt they can keep up for more than a few of the first sentences. With no written transcripts, it would not be very easy. It's hardly a "no work" method. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tbone Diglot Groupie United States Joined 4991 days ago 92 posts - 132 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian | Message 5 of 11 26 May 2011 at 5:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Cool, she includes the 2009 NY Regents listening comprehension test on her website:
http://www.noworkspanish.com/spanish-regents-exampractice/ Yeah, her method might help you with the test (couldn't hurt, right?) However, as someone currently trying to L-R Spanish, which is continuous Spanish, I found it really jarring to be alternating between English and Spanish in her sample audio files. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vikavictoria Pentaglot Groupie United States Joined 5049 days ago 49 posts - 74 votes Speaks: Persian, English*, German, Spanish, Tajik Studies: Russian | Message 6 of 11 26 May 2011 at 6:44am | IP Logged | ||
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woow TerryW you are right! They are mysteriously all praising the method and 5 months ago hahaha)))
I am currently on Pimsleur, and I guess I understand why 50+ years of research went into this method. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6011 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 7 of 11 26 May 2011 at 10:10am | IP Logged | ||
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And the English in a lot of the comments is remarkably similar....
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| lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5298 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes | Message 8 of 11 26 May 2011 at 11:27am | IP Logged | ||
I don't understand. What's not to like about this product? You get a bilingual text, an interlinear version of the kind many people create for their private use via google or copy and paste, and a fitting audiobook, read in two languages. Now that's quite something, isn't it? Will you need your brain? I think so. Will it be work. I think so. Will you be a fluent and proficient speaker and writer with 100% comprehension after listening to a short text only once? Probably not, but the idea and the concept is so obviously good and sane, that any criticism can only hit the usual stupid marketing ("no work" ...), but even that is rather modest in this case. An even better format might be L2-L1-L2, L2-L1-L2 and so on, but this hinders the flow, looks and sounds like more conscious work, and may for this reason in the end be less effective. Edited by lingoleng on 26 May 2011 at 11:35am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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