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languagewarrior
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 Message 25 of 55
24 July 2011 at 7:09pm | IP Logged 


   The original reason I had to begin learning Spanish was to communicate with locals in
the Spanish speaking country I was vacationing in.

While it is true there can be a financial benefit to learning languages,this debate reeks
of the worst sort of reasoning for choosing to learn a language(financial) unless you
already live in poverty and need to communicate with tourists in order to squeak out an
existance.
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aquablue
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 Message 26 of 55
24 July 2011 at 7:30pm | IP Logged 
No, you are wrong. I disagree, languages are certainly an economic tool. Spanish
people are now learning German in record numbers for economic reasons and these people
aren't in poverty, they are seeking business positions overseas in more favorable
markets. Also, given that Spanish is so hyped up in the US, and the fact that I don't
often vacation in Latin America, I need more reason to learn it than just a vacation
language to use once or twice a year because the language itself isn't as interesting to
me as some others (Japanese, Chinese, German, Italian) from a sound or grammar point of
view. However, learning a language just due to the sound and grammar isn't the wisest
choice because you may never need to use it at all.

Edited by aquablue on 24 July 2011 at 7:33pm

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Mad Max
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 Message 27 of 55
24 July 2011 at 7:31pm | IP Logged 
It is true that Spain has only 47 million people, and Colombia and Argentina have similar population.

On the other hand, there are 3 countries that together have a bigger GDP than Germany: Spain (European Union), USA (Hispanic minority) and Mexico, a country with a big potential.

According to the last Eurobarometer, some 70 million of Europeans speak Spanish. There are also 50 million of Hispanics in USA or 54 million if you add Puerto Rico (2010 US Census). Finally, Mexico has 110 million people. Only considering USA, European Union and Mexico, there are 230 million of Spanish speakers. Not so bad.


Anyway, the power of Spanish language economically is all the Hispanic World together with 500 million of potential customers, and in a lesser degree all Portuguese speaking people (225 million) that can understand Spanish in an 85%.




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nway
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 Message 28 of 55
24 July 2011 at 7:34pm | IP Logged 
languagewarrior wrote:
While it is true there can be a financial benefit to learning languages,this debate reeks of the worst sort of reasoning for choosing to learn a language(financial) unless you already live in poverty and need to communicate with tourists in order to squeak out an existence.

Does learning Spanish because my job specifically demands it not count as a good reason..?
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aquablue
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 Message 29 of 55
24 July 2011 at 7:36pm | IP Logged 
I understand, but I think that the Spanish speakers in the US will migrate towards
English for business purposes with non hispanics. The hispanics in the US are not going
to remain in hispanic only communities for ever. I don't need Spanish in the USA at all
where I live (NE). Do Germans all learn Turkish?

I would need it if I lived in Miami perhaps, Houston or East LA, but i'm not going to be
living there and these places are mostly bilingual.


Edited by aquablue on 24 July 2011 at 7:38pm

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aquablue
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 Message 30 of 55
24 July 2011 at 7:40pm | IP Logged 
Mad Max wrote:
It is true that Spain has only 47 million people, and Colombia and
Argentina have similar population.

On the other hand, there are 3 countries that together have a bigger GDP than Germany:
Spain (European Union), USA (Hispanic minority) and Mexico, a country with a big
potential.

According to the last Eurobarometer, some 70 million of Europeans speak Spanish. There
are also 50 million of Hispanics in USA or 54 million if you add Puerto Rico (2010 US
Census). Finally, Mexico has 110 million people. Only considering USA, European Union
and Mexico, there are 230 million of Spanish speakers. Not so bad.


Anyway, the power of Spanish language economically is all the Hispanic World together
with 500 million of potential customers, and in a lesser degree all Portuguese speaking
people (225 million) that can understand Spanish in an 85%.





Still, a small country like Germany has a greater GDP than all the pure hispanic
countries if you exclude the USA.
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nway
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 Message 31 of 55
24 July 2011 at 7:44pm | IP Logged 
aquablue wrote:
I understand, but I think that the Spanish speakers in the US will migrate towards
English for business purposes with non hispanics. The hispanics in the US are not going
to remain in hispanic only communities for ever. I don't need Spanish in the USA at all
where I live (NE). Do Germans all learn Turkish?

I would need it if I lived in Miami perhaps, Houston or East LA, but i'm not going to be
living there and these places are mostly bilingual.

I don't know how the Northeast compares to Southern California, but here in Orange County, there are plenty of Hispanics who don't speak English.
I work at a medical administrative office, and we need both interpreters for pre-ops and Spanish-literate receptionists to answer phone calls.

Edited by nway on 24 July 2011 at 7:45pm

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Mad Max
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 Message 32 of 55
24 July 2011 at 8:00pm | IP Logged 
Well, California, New Mexico or Florida are "pure hispanic". The same than Argentina or Colombia.

Anyway, all the Spanish speaking people together (500 million people) have a GDP greater than Germany, Austria and German Switzerland together.

At the same time, all French World (France, French Belgium, Quebec and French Africa) are even worse.

So, in a fast comparison between German, Spanish and French, Spanish has the biggest GDP.

And the near future is very positive according to several reports: Spanish is compulsory in Brazil (190 million), and it will be compulsory next year in Philippines (100 million). It is very studied in USA (300 million) and European Union (500 million), etc. Spanish will be spoken by a 10% of the World population in 2050 and probably the most spoken language in the World (Instituto Cervantes and UNESCO)


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