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| jo-han Newbie Czech Republic Joined 5085 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes | Message 9 of 20 22 July 2011 at 6:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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mutual slavic newspaper
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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5229 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 10 of 20 22 July 2011 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | ||
I question some of these. Native speakers should correct me, but I wouldn't call Spanish/Portuguese mutually intelligible with Italian, though Spanish/Portuguese alone are to a fair degree. Likewise with the Slavic languages. I'd agree Russian is close to Ukrainian and there's a high level of mutual intelligibility, but I doubt that extends to the more distant Polish and Czech and Serbian. Look at the IE language map to see these relationships: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/IndoEurop eanTree.svg All that said, I think English speakers do have a language with which there's a high degree of mutual intelligibility, comparable to the Spanish/Portuguese and Nordic language connections: Scots, as others have mentioned. http://www.scotslanguage.com/ Here's some poetry: I didna speak whan it bleetert doon. Ma man wis gey taen up wi' getting us sortit, an' it wis fell lang afore we had the bastes in an' the fowl settled. I didna speak whan the watters spewed ower ma rigs o' corn an' doon the street intae ma hoose amangst ma rugs an' the bonny things I had fae ma mither. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| H.Computatralis Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 6305 days ago 130 posts - 210 votes Speaks: Polish*, French, English Studies: German, Spanish, Latin | Message 11 of 20 23 July 2011 at 12:22am | IP Logged | ||
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I speak Polish natively and I just want to say that the mutual intelligibility of the Slavic languages is greatly exaggerated by some. I did hear spoken Czech, Slovak, and Kashubian which are all very closely related to Polish and at a normal pace they are not mutually intelligible with Polish. You can make out some words and perhaps get the basic meaning of some sentences but not to the level that can be considered "understanding".
I think this is a confusion created mostly by learners of several Slavic languages. For instance my wife happens to know some Russian and she sometimes watches Russian TV. Once she asked my how come I don't understand what they are saying and thought it was obvious. It seems when people learn more than one Slavic language they think that the languages are so similar as to be mutually intelligible, but for someone who has never learned that language it is not so. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| dbag Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5023 days ago 605 posts - 1046 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 12 of 20 23 July 2011 at 1:22am | IP Logged | ||
What about Dutch? I dont know if youve ever listened to a Dutch speaker, but I find sometimes entire that I can undertsand entire sentences. There is a lot of shared vocabulary between the two. Edited by dbag on 23 July 2011 at 1:26am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Matheus Senior Member Brazil Joined 5082 days ago 208 posts - 312 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: English, French | Message 13 of 20 23 July 2011 at 10:48am | IP Logged | ||
Why don't you study Spanish (for example)? Then you try to read a text in Portuguese and experience this. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6961 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 14 of 20 23 July 2011 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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I question some of these. Native speakers should correct me, but I wouldn't call Spanish/Portuguese mutually intelligible with Italian, though Spanish/Portuguese alone are to a fair degree. [/QUOTE] Portugueses and Brasilians understand Spanish well but it seems that is not the same thing the other way around. Portuguese_ Italian are more mutually intelligible in the written form , less in the spoken form. Spanish _ Italian are intelligible to a good degree also when spoken (from both sides) I am talking about people with a good level of education and some linguistic intelligence , people that speaks Standard Italian and Standard Spanish If someone speaks Italian with a strong Italian regional accent (romanesco,veneto etc) for instance, with a chilean that speaks his particular slang , probably they don't understand each other.(Once I saw a chilean and a colombian that almost did not understand each other in Spanish !) But watch this link that shows a Tv program in the prime time in a National Italian Tv. Lorena Berdun speaks Spanish and there is almost no translation and the public understands and laughs at the jokes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgi-eUCzR-A 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 15 of 20 23 July 2011 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | ||
Spelling reform is usually used to better represent the linguistic norm of the language. If speakers of one variety say "wopwop" and speakers of another variety say "wapwap", why shouldn't they write them differently...? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| petteri Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4933 days ago 117 posts - 208 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: German, Spanish | Message 16 of 20 23 July 2011 at 2:15pm | IP Logged | ||
Hmm. Could there be some other similar phenomenons like Estonians understand Finnish but not as well other way around. Danish understand Swedish but not as well other way around. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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