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patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7016 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map
| Message 9 of 35 18 August 2007 at 8:52pm | IP Logged |
chris777 wrote:
Due to my tainted adventures trying to survive in Paris as an 18-year-old American, I have developed a disinterest for the French language and culture that probably can never be repaired. |
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Perhaps you should think about writing a book... :)
P.S. Like this one.
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| FlorentT Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 6321 days ago 119 posts - 120 votes Speaks: French*, English, Italian Studies: Portuguese, Flemish, German, Hindi
| Message 10 of 35 19 August 2007 at 1:46am | IP Logged |
chris777 wrote:
Please understand that my experiences are my own based on my own individual and unique situation at a difficult and confusing time in my life. I have no doubt that French language and culture has its merits, however, it is simply not for me anymore. |
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No need for the disclaimer at all Chris 8^) Thanks for taking the time to answer, this is definitely interesting and adds a lot to the threads mentioning the link between cultural interest and fluency on this forum. I think what also plays in your case is that life in Paris is usually very much idealised abroad, while this a difficult city that many Frenchmen themselves would hate to live in - including yours truly, who chose to accept a job offer in Brussels to avoid living in Paris!
Accidentally, your story resonates with me because I have felt the same about Australia when I lived there when I was 16ish. Now I didn't live there on my own, but after a year came to dislike many things like what I perceived as lack of culture (theatre, movies that did not come from Hollywood, ability to talk litterature with Australians) where I was living (Perth, WA), the focus on sports and cult of the body, and so on, and only wanted to go back home. Twenty years later I have changed a lot I think.
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| Journeyer Triglot Senior Member United States tristan85.blogspot.c Joined 6869 days ago 946 posts - 1110 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German Studies: Sign Language
| Message 11 of 35 19 August 2007 at 10:39am | IP Logged |
Chris777, that was a great description of how cities in Western Europe feel like sometimes. I lived for nearly a year in Trier, Germany, and often, the weather was just like that (although I was fortunate to not lapse into a serious depression, however, I cannot say the same for all of the people there).
That was a very visual bit of writing! :-)
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| Bartolomeu Dias Groupie United States Joined 6948 days ago 43 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French, Latin
| Message 12 of 35 27 August 2007 at 1:43pm | IP Logged |
Oh my, I completely understand what you mean about the living in Paris
thing. I'm originally from San Diego, but I spent my junior year of high
school in Paris in order to improve my French. Paris is a great city to visit
but a very difficult one to live in, especially when you've just moved there
and don't have many people to show you around. When I was going to
school there I had a lot of friends, but adjusting to the dirt, erratic
climate, and petty bureaucracy was still really difficult for me (I even had
Parisian friends who didn't like the city; in fact, I knew one whose life's
ambition was to move to San Diego!). Don't get me wrong, Paris is terrific
in a lot of ways, but from the way it's talked about in California, I was
kind of expecting it to be a sophisticated Utopia and wasn't prepared for
anything less; so when I arrived and ran up against all these difficulties, I
was quite taken aback and disgruntled. My love of French itself remained
relatively unscathed, but after a few months I was thoroughly fed up with
the city and wanted nothing more than to go home. And I have to say,
when I got back to San Diego with the constant sunshine and ubiquitous
Mexican food, I was positively giddy!
To answer your question, though: as far as I know, Hindi isn't the
predominant language in every Indian state, but it is the official language
of the Union and is widely understood in pretty much all of the major
cities, so if you want to learn an Indian language for the purposes of
commerce, I'd have to go along with the others here and say that Hindi
would be the best to learn. If you want to limit your business to southern
India and want to learn a Dravidian language, I'd maybe recommend
Tamil; it's the official language of Tamil Nadu, which contains the
important industrial and commercial city of Chennai. Again, though, Hindi
will probably be widely understood in most commercial centers around
the country, Chennai included, so even if you do want to learn a southern
Indian language, I'd recommend learning it in conjunction with Hindi.
Also, if I understand correctly, Hindi and Urdu are extremely similar, so if
you learn Hindi, it's mostly a question of mastering Urdu script and some
different vocabulary, and you will be quite proficient in both, thereby
opening up several business opportunities in neighboring countries. I
can't claim to be an expert, but I'd imagine that Hindi and Urdu would
make a formidable combination!
Edited by Bartolomeu Dias on 27 August 2007 at 1:47pm
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| skeeterses Senior Member United States angelfire.com/games5Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6619 days ago 302 posts - 356 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Korean, Spanish
| Message 13 of 35 27 August 2007 at 11:13pm | IP Logged |
Chris, are you studying at UT Austin by any chance? There are many Indian students studying there and they're studying things like Business and Computer Science. As someone who studied Computer Science at UT Austin, I would highly recommend that you learn an Indian language, preferably Hindi.
As you probably know, the unemployment situation in Austin is bad enough that even getting a Burger King job there is difficult. If you seriously study an Indian language, I believe it may help you get the connections you need if you decide that you want to work in India.
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| xtremelingo Trilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6288 days ago 398 posts - 515 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Punjabi* Studies: German, French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 14 of 35 02 October 2007 at 5:32pm | IP Logged |
Hindi.
The United States and Britian have very strong diplomatic, economic/business, technical ties to India versus Pakistan. Learning Urdu is great, but Urdu is still somewhat different than Hindi in the way some words sound. I can easily distinguish Hindi from Urdu in a split second and so will local/natives. In a country like India that has alot of patriotism/nationalism, sounding like the other side i.e. Pakistan isn't going to get you as far as you think, PARTICULARLY if you can't read/write in Devanagri script.
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| apparition Octoglot Senior Member United States Joined 6651 days ago 600 posts - 667 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), French, Arabic (Iraqi), Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Pashto
| Message 15 of 35 02 October 2007 at 6:33pm | IP Logged |
Gujarati!!!
I don't know why I picked this language. I just liked the sound of the name. I'm about 20 hours into it and I can read the script okay now (that is, I can sound out the words about 90% accurately--not without major accent issues, but at least I can recognize the characters).
Yeah, I know Hindi should be the correct choice for this member (if he's still around...), but Gujarati just had a cool-sounding name and I like the script, which, if I'm not mistaken, is the same as Hindi, but without the line across the top?? xtreme, is that true?
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| Shinn Trilingual Tetraglot Groupie India gallery.takingitglob Joined 6413 days ago 61 posts - 69 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Oriya*, SpanishB2 Studies: FrenchB1, Japanese, Irish
| Message 16 of 35 03 October 2007 at 6:25am | IP Logged |
apparition, Gujarati and Devanagari do not quite have the same script. A few characters are different and some may even cause a bit of confusion, like the character for the "kh" sound in Gujarati resembles the "j" sound in Devanagari.
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