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| shreypete Pentaglot Groupie Czech RepublicRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6149 days ago 90 posts - 93 votes  Speaks: English*, Hindi, Telugu, CzechB1, SpanishB2 Studies: GermanB2, FrenchA2, Dutch, Swedish | Message 25 of 35 23 May 2008 at 9:34am | IP Logged | ||
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and once you learn hindi...you can learn my language...kiristav...a mix of hindi, persian, and portuguese. It's one of the most beautiful languages that you'll never regret having learned such a language....but unfortunately it has tons of exceptions...
oh well...meshugir nombri azkemalet oz goshoi ad diferente lenguai mager aprendiarza lenguazhi esh men to hi vivurza (translation: countless number of exceptions exist in countless number of languages but so is the life of language-learning).... 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Shinn Trilingual Tetraglot Groupie India gallery.takingitglob Joined 6413 days ago 61 posts - 69 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Oriya*, SpanishB2 Studies: FrenchB1, Japanese, Irish | Message 26 of 35 23 May 2008 at 11:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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shreypete, Kiristav sounds fascinating. Wikipedia tells me it is a dialect of Konkani. I'd never heard of it before, even though I live in Bombay in Maharashtra where Konkani comes from. Is that phrase about exceptions in Kiristav?
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| shreypete Pentaglot Groupie Czech RepublicRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6149 days ago 90 posts - 93 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi, Telugu, CzechB1, SpanishB2 Studies: GermanB2, FrenchA2, Dutch, Swedish | Message 27 of 35 24 May 2008 at 7:11am | IP Logged | ||
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The phrase actually is just means that kiristav is a language with so many exceptions, but so is the whole course
of language learning (as each language has it's own exceptions and rules). It does have a lot of konkani words...but it's mostly persian and portuguese dominated (as the language actually was born when the persian trade took over in Margao, Goa and it was further improvised by the portuguese (in an attempt to making it completely portuguese; but that never succeded). i think in konkani, the pronouns go something like this: I - mhozhui ; ; I - mhazhui/ euste/ melikht (anyone is used in kiristav) you - tuzha & nbsp; & nbsp; you - thuzui/ tuse he/she - ai (not sure) he/she/it - ave/ava/etu we - don't know &n bsp; we - nosu/ maazhiza they - don't know &n bsp; they - loshi/ mazish 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Deji Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5441 days ago 116 posts - 182 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Hindi, Bengali | Message 28 of 35 27 August 2010 at 8:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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To add yet another voice to this hindi/ gujurati/urdu thread, I am a hindi-learned-person (ya hindibolni-walli)
who having learned hindi, or a fair amount of hindi, is unhappy that I don't know more Urdu. You know, in many ways--basic words: "I, you, come, go, want, eat, etc etc." they are the same language. Not the writing, obviously, and not the serious or poetical vocabulary. ( Please don't send cranky posts about this, either side) Gujurati and Bengali speakers speak Hindi. Hindi speakers don't necessarily speak Gujju or Bangla. My level in hindi is: I can write easily, chat if it's not too complicated, I can read a short story with a LOT of help. (Understand that most--make that ALL-- dictionaries are very incomplete and the amount of words in hindi is vast, beyond any european language that I know. So in french you can look up a word and find it --say--8 out of ten times. Hindi would be 3 out of 10). This is because in hindi you will find people speaking a mix ranging from nearly pure Urdu, to Hindustani (still lots of Urdu words) to Hindi (mix) to Shudhh Hindi (Hindi with no Urdu and more Sanskrit words) to Sanskritized Hindi, which, god help us, is what they use in newspapers and television and radio news. And half the hindi- speakers in India don't understand it. The hindi that I learned, I now know, is Shudhh Hindi. So as a result, I don't understand films, magazine articles, poetry and popular song lyrics and certainly not ghazals (Urdu poetical songs). There is a LOT of Urdu in the popular spoken language. Business will be conducted in English. It can be hard to get educated Indians to speak hindi with you. On the other hand, they will be thrilled if you could quote a few shairiya, or popular ghazals. Also, proverbs go over big. So if you learn Hindi, just make SURE you learn Hindustani !! (that's the version with more Urdu in it). And it works fine too if you need to have a fight with a rickshaw driver. Edited by Deji on 27 August 2010 at 8:15pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Fat-tony Nonaglot Senior Member United Kingdom jiahubooks.co.uk Joined 6141 days ago 288 posts - 441 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian, Esperanto, Thai, Laotian, Urdu, Swedish, French Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian, Arabic (Written), Armenian, Pali, Burmese | Message 29 of 35 27 August 2010 at 10:22pm | IP Logged | ||
I don't think it's necessarily to do with the number of words but the standard of bilingual Indian dictionaries (esp Indian-English) is frankly abysmal. Even with a "money-no-object" budget (my work would pay) I haven't found a professional, up-to-date Urdu-English dictionary. It's massively frustrating and one of the many stumbling blocks on the way to advanced proficiency. It's a shame because the languages themselves are actually quite straight forward but they just seem to be under valued, most of all by native speakers. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Olekander Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5884 days ago 122 posts - 136 votes Speaks: English*, French, Russian | Message 30 of 35 02 September 2010 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well obviously there's no doubt which language I'd pick <--- eyes left. However this
language, excuse my mocking hyperbolic stereotypes, is only spoken by the scum of the earth. Thamil really isn't useful unless you're a Christian missionary lol. Nobody of any class speaks it, and it's confined to a hundred million or so speakers in the south. However due to my work out there I ended up doing it.thepeople are beautiful in every sense of the word. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6440 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 31 of 35 02 September 2010 at 2:18pm | IP Logged | ||
That's rather high in insulting nonsense. Tamil has a literary tradition spanning over 2000 years. It's an official language of India, Sri Lanka and Singapore, and it is the Dravidian language with the most speakers. It's an important language for people interested in historical literature, especially in the context of India. It's also a fascinating glimpse into a fairly large language family. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6944 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 32 of 35 02 September 2010 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | ||
I thought Telugu was the largest Dravidian language. (74 million native speakers versus 66 million for Tamil, according to Wikipedia). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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