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Fat-tony Nonaglot Senior Member United Kingdom jiahubooks.co.uk Joined 6141 days ago 288 posts - 441 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian, Esperanto, Thai, Laotian, Urdu, Swedish, French Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian, Arabic (Written), Armenian, Pali, Burmese
| Message 9 of 21 04 July 2010 at 9:47am | IP Logged |
I have made my own phonetic devanagari keyboard, but as you can tell from my spelling and
my profile I'm much more comfortable with the Urdu "variant".
I put "past" in inverted commas because I new that it was only applied to some of the
many past tenses but I couldn't remember all the relevant ones at the time.
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| doviende Diglot Senior Member Canada languagefixatio Joined 5987 days ago 533 posts - 1245 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Hindi, Swedish, Portuguese
| Message 10 of 21 04 July 2010 at 2:49pm | IP Logged |
If you're going to start learning Hindi or other Indian languages, I recommend brushing up on some of the technical terms about phonetics. I've found it hard to get native speakers to explain what the heck they are doing with their tongues to make the different sounds, and there are MANY different sounds that are unique to a Hindi speaker but are the same to an English speaker with no Hindi experience. At the beginning it will be both a) hard for you to hear those, and b) hard for you to get the speaker to explain them or point out when they happen. They don't think about it, they just do it.
If you learn about the technical terms, then that's one way you can actually find out what to do with your mouth to make the sounds. Luckily the Hindi and Punjabi writing systems are very explicit about which sounds are which, so once you figure out that a certain letter is a "retroflex flap" or a "voiceless aspirated dental affricate", then you'll know what to do when ;)
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| exscribere Diglot Senior Member IndiaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5280 days ago 104 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Danish Studies: Mandarin, French, Korean, Hindi
| Message 11 of 21 04 July 2010 at 3:25pm | IP Logged |
doviende wrote:
If you learn about the technical terms, then that's one way you can actually find out what to do with your mouth to make the sounds. Luckily the Hindi and Punjabi writing systems are very explicit about which sounds are which, so once you figure out that a certain letter is a "retroflex flap" or a "voiceless aspirated dental affricate", then you'll know what to do when ;)
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I'm so happy I have a background in linguistics - it makes using IPA charts so much easier. When I get stumped or need a 'refresher' on a sound (since there are a number of them in Hindi that we don't use in English), I cheerfully admit that I will go check out the Devanagari Wikipedia page, and then go to my beloved audio IPA chart to hear just how X ought to be pronounced, if I can't find a sample of it in the few audio files I have for Hindi. It's by no means excellent - but it gives me a start on what that sound _is_, especially if it's not one I'm familiar with.
I definitely second the suggestion of learning some linguistic terminology; it can be very useful in the study of _any_ language.
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| halfstepdown88 Newbie United States halfstepdown88.wordpRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5195 days ago 17 posts - 17 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 12 of 21 31 October 2010 at 2:08am | IP Logged |
i am just starting to learn Hindi, where should I start?
There doesn't seem to be any threads about learning Hindi, and few resources.
Someone on the previous page said they would share resources, I would love to see them!
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| ironman Tetraglot Newbie United States Joined 5147 days ago 5 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, French Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, Hindi, Swahili
| Message 13 of 21 17 December 2010 at 6:25am | IP Logged |
exscribere wrote:
doviende wrote:
If you learn about the technical terms, then that's one way you can actually find out what to do with your mouth to make the sounds. Luckily the Hindi and Punjabi writing systems are very explicit about which sounds are which, so once you figure out that a certain letter is a "retroflex flap" or a "voiceless aspirated dental affricate", then you'll know what to do when ;)
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I'm so happy I have a background in linguistics - it makes using IPA charts so much easier. When I get stumped or need a 'refresher' on a sound (since there are a number of them in Hindi that we don't use in English), I cheerfully admit that I will go check out the Devanagari Wikipedia page, and then go to my beloved audio IPA chart to hear just how X ought to be pronounced, if I can't find a sample of it in the few audio files I have for Hindi. It's by no means excellent - but it gives me a start on what that sound _is_, especially if it's not one I'm familiar with.
I definitely second the suggestion of learning some linguistic terminology; it can be very useful in the study of _any_ language. |
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I couldn't agree more. I was just learning the different Hindi sounds, and I decided to crack open the Linguistics textbook I bought (but never read), and read the chapter on phonetics and it made learning the letters SO much easier. I still have a little difficulty telling the difference when listening to the different letters, but at least I now know what to do with my tongue when saying them :).
Now that I know what a palatal and a retroflex is, I think I'm going to go back over the pronunciation section in all of my other language books to make sure I'm pronouncing the letters right ;).
Every polyglot should have a basic understanding of linguistics. It is immensely helpful and will make learning a language a lot easier.
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| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6273 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French
| Message 14 of 21 23 December 2010 at 6:18pm | IP Logged |
I might teach myself Devanagari script. It looks interesting.
This is at a slight tangent, but I once bought a cheap T-shirt with Devanagari writing on the front. I did not know what it meant, it just looked exotic. A year later I went into an Indian shop in London wearing it. The man behind the counter asked if I knew what the T-shirt said. I replied no, what does it say? He said the inscription was a Sanskrit prayer, although I forget the exact translation he gave of it.
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| sivashankarmech Newbie IndiaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5082 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes
| Message 15 of 21 27 December 2010 at 7:18am | IP Logged |
exscribere wrote:
Hi Brian!
I've JUST started learning Hindi and have scavenged a fair number of different resources up from the depths of the internet, as well as physical resources (dead tree books). I'm enjoying it a lot so far - the syllabary is quite easy and I've just started delving into one of the "Teach Yourself Hindi" books for sentences and vocab outside of randomly cited words in the section on Devanagari (नान/bread).
If you decide to pursue Hindi, let me know--I'll happily share my resources with you. |
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Please try to share any free pdf or good online links/torrents related to spoken hindi. It will be useful to me and others
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| ratis Hexaglot Newbie Germany Joined 5104 days ago 28 posts - 43 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Italian, Spanish, Latin Studies: Czech, Japanese Studies: Hindi
| Message 16 of 21 28 December 2010 at 3:14am | IP Logged |
Call me strange - I found the Japanese kana a lot easier to memorise than Devanagari. It
took me quite some time to get used to the logic of Devanagari and I'm still a reeeally
slow readier if I don't recognize the whole word at the first glance. What I like about
Hindi are all those English words in disguise. I love those aha effects. But then, you
get that with Japanese too. What futher fascinated me about Hindi were the common
Indoeuropean roots you'd stumple upon occasionally. I often found Japanese grammar,
altough unsual, easier than Hindi grammar.
All in all, once you've tackled the syllabaries and get really serious about Kanji, I'd
agree that Japanese starts to become really hard and it may be true that Hindi is a piece
of cake compared to it (can't tell, I'm still a complete beginner with Hindi). At the
very first beginning however, I find them both similarly challenging.
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