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| Lootrock Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5753 days ago 18 posts - 21 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Mandarin, Arabic (Egyptian), Russian | Message 17 of 35 24 June 2011 at 8:30am | IP Logged | ||||||||
In my experience, either they try to roll the r or it sounds like they are hocking up saliva xD. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 18 of 35 24 June 2011 at 8:57am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't quite understand. Do they pronounce alveolar trill like Spanish "r"? Or what do they do? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lianne Senior Member Canada thetoweringpile.blog Joined 5116 days ago 284 posts - 410 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Toki Pona, German, French | Message 19 of 35 24 June 2011 at 2:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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When I was growing I was taught both by French family and in French class at school to roll my Rs. Only recently have I found out that that's going out of style. It makes me quite sad, because I can roll my Rs quite well. At least it still helps in Esperanto.
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 20 of 35 24 June 2011 at 3:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Does rolled "r" mean an alveolar trill?
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| Lianne Senior Member Canada thetoweringpile.blog Joined 5116 days ago 284 posts - 410 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Toki Pona, German, French | Message 21 of 35 24 June 2011 at 3:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 22 of 35 24 June 2011 at 4:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
ROC (rest of Canada) is a generation or two behind on this change, but somewhere between my parents' generation and mine (I'm 37), Rs became uvular pretty much everywhere in Québec. This change occured earlier yet in larger cities. My grand-parents all rolled their R's, my aunts and uncles roll their R's if they grew up in the countryside, but not if they grew in the city, and my parents' actually exhibit a bit of both. However, I have a few cousins under forty who grew up in the countryside and who still use the trill R. Oddly, this makes them sound uneducated, even though one in particular has 2 PhD's. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 23 of 35 24 June 2011 at 4:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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What is so difficult in uvular "r" for those who study French? It is much easier than
nasal vowels, I think. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 24 of 35 24 June 2011 at 4:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Languages without uvular or nasal sounds will still usually have some form of nasal vowels through assimilation, such as English or Japanese. However, languages rarely have variations that use uvular sounds, and outside of the European uvular R zone, they are quite rare. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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