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| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7239 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes  2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 1 of 20 11 July 2005 at 2:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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I stumbled across Llanito while I was looking for information on a Spanish dialect (Huasteco, which I couldn't find anything about btw)
Apparently this is a language that is a mix of Spanish and English. I'd like to find some more examples of it, but apparently, this is only a spoken language (and not used in broadcasts.) Edited by ElComadreja on 11 July 2005 at 5:00pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7208 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 2 of 20 11 July 2005 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Huasteco refers to a pre-hispanic culture of Mexico. Have a look at this article. Today it is used to refer to a geographic region of northeastern Mexico and its cultural features. Nothing to do with English. In any case, none of the dialects spoken in Mexico are related to European languages (including Spanish).
Note: in Mexico the word dialect is employed to refer to a language other than Spanish spoken by native indigenous people. Edited by jradetzky on 12 July 2005 at 3:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7239 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 3 of 20 11 July 2005 at 4:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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I guess that’s kind of confusing. When I was talking about the mix of languages above, I was referring to Llanito. Spoken in Gibraltar.
As a side note, one of the Spanish speakers in Monterrey had told me about a local dialect that existed in the outskirts of his home city. He called the dialect ‘huasteco’. He didn’t know it well himself he was only able to tell me that ‘its’ is ‘chili’ and ‘cotton’ is ‘shirt’. Both pronounced with Spanish pronunciation rules. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| patlajan Triglot Groupie United States Joined 7150 days ago 59 posts - 65 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Turkish Studies: German, Mandarin, French | Message 4 of 20 12 July 2005 at 3:38pm | IP Logged | ||
I would clarify this Spanish does change quite abit say from Mexico City to Sonora, I would term the differences separate dialects of Spanish. Others do as well) There are alot of other languages spoken throughout Mexico. In the north they are from the Uto-Aztecan family and the Yuman family, these are families of languages as different as (Azeri) Turkic, and (French)Indoeuropean, each containing many distinct languages. Many words from these languages have passed into the Spanish of northern Mexico and of course Spanish is often mixed with these native languages. I know less about central and southern Mexico but the situation there is even more complex. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7208 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 5 of 20 12 July 2005 at 3:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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A cousin of mine once told me that one of his uncles (from the family side not related to me), who's a native Zapotec (indigenous culture in Southern Mexico), was able to hold a basic conversation in his Zapotec language with a Soviet woman speaking in her native language. It is unclear which of the many languages spoken in the USSR she employed in the dialogue. She might have come from a remote region such as Eastern Siberia, where native tribes of the Americas are thought to have originated before crossing the Bering strait. Edited by jradetzky on 12 July 2005 at 3:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7208 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 6 of 20 12 July 2005 at 4:10pm | IP Logged | ||
I guess he must have been referring to the Huasteco language spoken by the indigenous population around Monterrey- which is strange considering that there are no indigenous people in that place according to official statistics. Otherwise it might be a slang variety of Spanish that I have never heard of. In Mexico City there is a slang of Spanish called "caló" spoken by the street gangs in rough neighbourhoods. It is just like East London's cockney rhyming slang in that it hides what is being talked about by employing words that bear no relation with the topic of the conversation. Edited by jradetzky on 12 July 2005 at 4:21pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| patlajan Triglot Groupie United States Joined 7150 days ago 59 posts - 65 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Turkish Studies: German, Mandarin, French | Message 7 of 20 13 July 2005 at 12:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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There is a calo dictionary which I have a copy of - it is largely slang rather than a complete language. But it would be very difficult for an outsider to understand what is going on.
As for a Siberian understanding a Mexican very unlikely. Something akin to an Italian understanding a Russian - if any of the North American native american language families cross the Bering Strait. I know Inuit languages do, but I don't think the other do. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7208 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 8 of 20 13 July 2005 at 1:17pm | IP Logged | ||
I don't quite understand this comment. Could you elaborate on it? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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