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| patlajan Triglot Groupie United States Joined 7150 days ago 59 posts - 65 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Turkish Studies: German, Mandarin, French | Message 9 of 20 14 July 2005 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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At some point in the distant past natives of Siberia crossed the Bering Strait and populated North America, recent thinking is that this happened in several waves. Of these peoples only the current people of the far north maintain contact and have similar languages. From everything I've read this precludes the possiblity of a Russian understanding the languages of a native american (mexican). Also the span of time in question is many thousands of years. As I understand there would be few if any remaining match words, even if the language families could be related.
Related to this have been surprised at the degree of difference between several of local native languages here in Arizona that are closely related. Far greater than between the romance languages or turkic languages. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Giordano Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 7175 days ago 213 posts - 218 votes 3 sounds Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Cantonese, Greek | Message 10 of 20 18 July 2005 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Jradetzky never said the woman was Rus (an ethnic Russian), but just from the USSR/Russia, which rules a vast number of varied tribes, from Russians to Tartars to Mongols to Jews and Buddhists and Siberians/Inuit, and many other peoples. Most probably, this woman was a member of one of the native northern Asian tribes which are related to Amerindians.
Perhaps she could only recognize a few basic similarities... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7239 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 11 of 20 01 August 2005 at 1:12am | IP Logged | ||
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I found the napkin that guy was writing on. He listed three ‘dialects’: Huasteco, Nahuatl, and Pame. Upon further investigation, and according to jradetzky’s definition of what a Mexican would call a ‘dialect’, it sounds like these are just languages of the natives. However, if I recall correctly, the guy from Monterrey said that Nahuatl was easy, and Huasteco very hard. It led me to believe that these languages are related to Spanish, which apparently they are not.
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| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7208 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 12 of 20 01 August 2005 at 9:30am | IP Logged | ||
Nahuatl and Huasteco don't bear any relationship to Spanish. Both are native American languages such as Navajo or Ojibwe in the US. Edited by jradetzky on 01 August 2005 at 9:33am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jradetzky Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom geocities.com/jradet Joined 7208 days ago 521 posts - 485 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 | Message 13 of 20 01 August 2005 at 9:31am | IP Logged | ||
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| czech Senior Member United States Joined 7195 days ago 395 posts - 378 votes Studies: English* | Message 14 of 20 01 August 2005 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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What is the accent of the tip of South of America? Does this have an Italian influence?
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| Luis Octoglot Newbie Spain Joined 7066 days ago 35 posts - 34 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Portuguese, Catalan, Latin, FrenchB2, English, Italian, Ancient Greek | Message 15 of 20 01 August 2005 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Spanish only has an Italian influence in Buennos AIres (Argentina). In fact there is pidgin Spanish-Italian there
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| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7016 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 16 of 20 14 September 2005 at 5:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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Just to get back to the original topic......
You will not find any written examples of Llanito since it is only a spoken "language". It is more than just a mix of Spanish and English since it involves words from a few other languages also, e.g. Maltese. However, the basis is Spanish with "anglizised" words. Not only is the vocabulary different to Spanish, but the pronunciation is also different. It approximates to an Andalusian accent but not quite. There's more information here: Llanito in Wikipedia The reason I know so much about this is because I am Gibraltarian and speak Llanito every day. EDIT: Updated link. Edited by patuco on 02 April 2006 at 1:25am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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