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| Fiveonefive Diglot Groupie Japan Joined 5697 days ago 69 posts - 88 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Swedish | Message 9 of 27 13 June 2011 at 1:57am | IP Logged | ||
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Like others said. Anime is real Japanese but the social contexts are whack sometimes.
And social contexts are REALLY important in Japan so make sure to widen your input sources so you don't accidentally make a fool out of yourself. You'll be fine. Edited by Fiveonefive on 13 June 2011 at 1:58am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5182 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi | Message 10 of 27 13 June 2011 at 11:58am | IP Logged | ||
I think so too, it's easier to understand some anime than something like zatouichi (they mumble too). So it's good for beginners. Well, I have watched the whole dragon ball :S around 400 episodes. So I have macho Japanese mastered. Now I stopped liking anime. For some reason. Anyway, those people do speak egzagerrated speech indeed. but it's a part of Japanese language too. In anime older people use じゃending, which is dialect of da. In Japan it is not true that older people use it. "I am getting older, maybe I should start using ja ending" ^It does not work like this. A lot of people watch it with subtitles. As for me, I don't like subs, I think if you read the subs you don't listen. It depends on the person of course. Watching anime has helped me improve my understanding of spoken language. But you need a lot of practice. Later I reccomend watching harder stuff, like movies with mumbling, and some longer speeches. By watching anime with short sentences I have inproved, but i have still problms with longer speeches like sermons etc. But you can pick up new expression here and there from anime. Also it's very good to understand the meaning of word ending. You will know when you should add yo, zo etc, just because anime people are very expressive. But their speech contains a lot of slang, so it may be harder. they use やつ for "he/she", use shortened forms like: 学校に行かなくちゃ - I have to go to school. and not 学校に行かなくてはならない, they eat r's : wakaranai becomes wakannnai. they use the word "kisama" which "normal" Japanese people don't use in real life. (according to Tae Kim - the author of Japanese grammar). I think they should use more normal Japanese in dramas, but I don't know, I have not watched much dramas. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 6054 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 12 of 27 13 June 2011 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for all the responses!
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| starrye Senior Member United States Joined 5098 days ago 172 posts - 280 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 13 of 27 13 June 2011 at 3:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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It is real Japanese. Though not always realistic. To what degree it is realistic or not, depends on the series. But bottom line, it's a cartoon/animation and as such, voice actors may perform in flamboyant or exaggerated ways...
You may notice how various character types speak differently, and how there are often different stereotypes (or formulas) that voice actors use to convey personalities. For example, there's a certain manner of speaking that a thug or yakuza type character might have. A certain manner for a macho male character, or a shy, cute girl... Or the way that a protective male character might speak to a female character... and so on. There may be some old fashioned or literary words thrown in for effect. Characters may use gender inappropriate language sometimes, or over the top "girly" or "masculine" speech, or expressions that might otherwise be considered rude, arrogant, or childish. They may speak with an accent, or slur their speech, or speak "cutely" for effect. The list goes on. In my opinion, the more exposure to the language you get (from a wide variety of sources) you will start to recognize all of these little differences in register, tone, politeness, and nuance. Some people think that you should avoid anime (and manga, and other forms of media) while you are learning. I think that this stems from a fear of picking up bad habits and sounding foolish (or rude). But I think, as long as you keep these things in mind, then you should be fine. Don't run around calling people きさま or saying weird things like わがはい.... In general, you will start to get a feel for what's realistic and not. But you have to develop a frame of reference, and to do that, you need to hear a wide variety of Japanese voices in different contexts. So I think that anime will only hurt you if you focus on anime exclusively, and nothing else. I think that LuckyCharms made a good point about not trying to sound like an announcer/narrator. So on the other hand, trying to imitate a text book all of the time isn't necessarily a good thing either. Anime has some advantages by exposing you to different casual expressions. Edited by starrye on 13 June 2011 at 4:49pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 6054 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 14 of 27 13 June 2011 at 6:50pm | IP Logged | ||
So what other non anime sources would you recommend to supplement input? I mentioned radio talk shows (it's actually a podcast). As someone mentioned, to my ears, they speak very differently compared to the anime, much faster, slurred, etc. To me it seems like more high quality input. What do you use? All I seem to hear about is anime when it comes to Japanese. It seems like from what other learners say, they do focus exclusively on anime/manga. It seems bizarre that so many claim to love Japanese culture but have seemingly never listened to a real Japanese person talking in a normal way. Edited by irrationale on 13 June 2011 at 6:56pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fiveonefive Diglot Groupie Japan Joined 5697 days ago 69 posts - 88 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Swedish | Message 15 of 27 13 June 2011 at 7:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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TV dramas will be far closer to regular everyday spoken Japanese than any anime.
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| starrye Senior Member United States Joined 5098 days ago 172 posts - 280 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 16 of 27 13 June 2011 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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@irrationale, yes I find that podcasts are good for this kind of listening. You can of course find formal newscaster type programs...but there are a lot of people who make and produce their own podcasts in low budget settings. These are good because they tend to be unscripted and just have people speaking in a regular tone of voice about various topics. Youtube and other video sites are sometimes useful, where you can watch videos made by average people who aren't actors or professional announcers. An of course, interacting with live Japanese people. Online, if you don't know any in person. Follow people's blogs and chat with them online, etc.
Try out different types of media. Live action dramas, movies, and documentaries. But of course, it depends on the content. A Samurai story probably isn't going to be the best choice for realistic, every day speech... Pick stories that have (more or less) realistic scenarios in them. But by all means, continue watching your anime (if you like it), and Samurai films, and whatever else you like too. You'll want the frame of reference for comparison..... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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