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starrye Senior Member United States Joined 5095 days ago 172 posts - 280 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese
| Message 25 of 27 20 June 2011 at 4:58pm | IP Logged |
Bao wrote:
In one's native language one shouldn't have to think about the register used and whether one ought to imitate Bart Simpson when talking to one's boss, but in a foreign language one has first to learn which parts of any register of a foreign language are general traits of the language and which are specific to one register. I don't know any other way to do that other than exposure, conscious analysis of any given content in context and attentiveness to any bit of feedback one can get. |
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Exactly... exposure, exposure, exposure... from a variety of different kinds of spoken Japanese. That's really all there is to it, in my opinion. Over time, you'll start to hear it more obviously, and notice patterns in the same type of material over and over. Once you are aware of this, it shouldn't be a problem to watch anime, because it will have context to you.
Of course, not everybody speaks like the announcer on Ninja Warrior (for example). But if that was all you watched, then you'd start to get the impression that Japanese is a very loud and excitable language like what you hear on game shows. In fact, that's sort of a common (negative) stereotype about Japanese on American tv... I recall an old episode of The Simpsons where Homer meets a couple of sushi chefs, and they say "hello" by shouting at him in angry sounding Japanese. Nowadays people have the stereotype that Japanese is more of a cute sounding language, thanks to anime and pop music. But different kinds of media can leave very different impressions about both the culture and language.
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| Lightning Groupie United Kingdom livelanguagelove.bloRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5339 days ago 58 posts - 70 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese
| Message 26 of 27 21 June 2011 at 8:15pm | IP Logged |
I was discussing this topic with a native Japanese not too long ago. Another Japanese learner had asked the same question because he was told not to use Anime Japanese at all. The native Japanese said that he recommends learners to study from Anime because the language is a lot easier but he did say a lot of script is usually very "character-based" -- I think by this he meant that basically it's usable Japanese but it's altered to the character.
I think it's best not to rely on Anime as your main input for Japanese. If you enjoy it then go ahead but it's best to have other native inputs, then you have a sort of balance.
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| galindo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5208 days ago 142 posts - 248 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Portuguese
| Message 27 of 27 21 June 2011 at 9:12pm | IP Logged |
If you can understand Japanese well enough to watch anime without subtitles, then you should also be able to tell which lines are acceptable to imitate and which are not. Unless you exclusively watch one genre, you will hear all sorts of different kinds of Japanese in anime, including the "normal Japanese" that you would hear in dramas.
I really don't think anyone should be attempting speaking before they have a feel for which forms of speech are acceptable in everyday situations, and the only way anime could have a negative effect on someone's spoken Japanese is if they are trying to start speaking while their comprehension is still very low.
I agree that a learner needs a lot of exposure to a wide variety of spoken Japanese, but it's not absolutely necessary to watch dramas if you can't find any that you like. If you prefer anime/manga, you can try reading manga about normal people doing normal things, and you will encounter plenty of normal Japanese. If you are watching a currently airing anime, you can check if they are airing an online seiyuu radio program as part of the promotional materials. There are lots of seiyuu radio shows, so those can be a good alternative to podcasts if you are a fan of games, anime, and manga.
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