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| liuzf Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4918 days ago 23 posts - 31 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishB2 Studies: French | Message 1 of 5 16 June 2011 at 4:11am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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Germany:
The voice is quite close to English, the tongue basically without vibration, quite simple and easy to grasp; Noun is the grammar difficult point, it has 3 genders and 4 cases, and there is no regulations for the change of plural form, and the inflections are complicated. Besides, the adjectives are complicated. Germany is suitabale to those who have strong logic and those who are willing to rote learning. While verbs are much simpler than English, which have only six tenses. Syntax is equally complicated,but many grammars and word- orders can learn from Chinese.Germany is a nice second languge choice for those whose English grammar is so bad while Chinese is so excellent. French: There is a big difference between french and English in Voice. The tongue basically without vibration, a bit difficult for the first learners, but later is just fine. Verb is the grammar difficlut point, the tense is very rich(up to more than twenty, only 16 in English). French is a good choice for those people who have better literary quality and people who are good at use language to express themslves. French verb has genders, but no cases change.The syntax is flexible, much easy to understand and grasp,but difficult to proficient usage. French is a good choice to those whose English grammar is excellent and hava a large amount of vocabulary storage. Spanish: Those who don't know tongue vibration better not choose spainsh.But if you do, you can take it in two days, while the stress is not easy to grasp. Spanish grammar is much close to French, the verb and tense changes a lot, much harder to master; there is a regulations for the change of Noun’s gender, no cases, the rules for plural form are simple. Japanese At first it is easy to learn, but it gets harder and harder. Japan barely has any connection with English, so a bad English learn can learn japanese without any influences. Chinese people are tend to have interest in Japanese, the syllables are short, and all the japanese pronounciation can find correspondence in Chinese. But Japanese have a differen way of thinking, so if one want to learn Japanese well, it is better to grasp Japanese culture first. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5694 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes  Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish | Message 2 of 5 16 June 2011 at 6:05am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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Hi liuzf. Welcome to the forum. Have you looked around it a bit?
I have to admit I'm really confused by this post. First of all, I can't see what the title has to do with the topic. Secondly, some of your terminology is perplexing. What is "tongue vibration"? Do you mean the rolled R? And what is "voice"? Do you mean pronunciation? Also, some of your phrasing is very difficult to interpret (at least for me). What do you mean when you say about German that "there is no regulations for the change of plural form"? I don't understand what you mean with this sentence: "Germany is a nice second languge choice for those whose English grammar is so bad while Chinese is so excellent." What is the role of Chinese in this sentence? This is also a weird idea: "French is a good choice for those people who have better literary quality and people who are good at use language to express themslves." Could you explain what you mean here? I have quibbles with this claim about Spanish too: "But if you do, you can take it in two days, while the stress is not easy to grasp." Personally, I find the stress to be one of the easiest aspects of Spanish. But the language certainly couldn't be learned in only two days! Or was that not what you were implying? "all the japanese pronounciation can find correspondence in Chinese." Really? Even if this is factually true, I would think that differences such as tones in Chinese and pitch in Japanese, not to mention the several sounds in Chinese that don't exist in Japanese, would make it rather pointless to compare the two in this way. I think several of the statements you make about these languages are correct. But would you mind going into a bit more detail and answering the questions I noted above? It would be much appreciated. Thanks! EDIT to add a missing word. Edited by Jinx on 16 June 2011 at 6:08am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6440 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 3 of 5 16 June 2011 at 7:17am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
I'll try to answer some of your questions, though my answers might be wrong.
The title seems appropriate; the poster is introducing various options for second/foreign languages. Your terminology guesses match mine.
That there's not a rule to make plurals in German. This isn't strictly true, but there are quite a few rules and irregularities.
I think s/he's saying "German is a nice choice for a second language for people who have terrible English grammar, but excellent Chinese grammar" - for instance, native Chinese speakers with a poor mastery of English grammar. It's a bit of an odd claim.
I think s/he means that French is a good choice for people who are literary/like literature, and who are quite expressive in their use of language in their native tongue. French literature is famous, and French is a language where nuance is highly valued, so anyone who doesn't like one or both of these things even in his/her native language is probably in for an uphill battle.
I'm utterly lost on this one.
This is quite a legitimate point - if you speak a language that has a superset of the sounds found in your target language, it's a nice head-start with pronunciation. That said, it's not true for Japanese for speakers of Mandarin. Mandarin doesn't have ɽ or ɴ, and Mandarin has aspiration contrasts where Japanese has voicing contrasts for some phonemes, among other differences. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| liuzf Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4918 days ago 23 posts - 31 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishB2 Studies: French | Message 4 of 5 16 June 2011 at 8:28am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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Thank you so much, Volte!!!!I do think you can read my mind,and helped me explained the questions of Jinx.I am not a Englsih native, some of my sentence structures maybe strange,and some expressions mabye ambiguous,but I'll try my best to write the right sentences.
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| liuzf Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4918 days ago 23 posts - 31 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishB2 Studies: French | Message 5 of 5 16 June 2011 at 8:46am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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1.i am afriad i cant expain it clearly with my own words,so here i quote the explanation of Voice and Pronounciation:Voice (or vocalization) is the sound produced by humans and other vertebrates using the lungs and the vocal folds in the larynx, or voice box. Voice is not always produced as speech, however. Voice is generated by airflow from the lungs as the vocal folds are brought close together. When air is pushed past the vocal folds with sufficient pressure, the vocal folds vibrate. If the vocal folds in the larynx did not vibrate normally, speech could only be produced as a whisper.
Pronunciation refers to the way a word or a language is spoken, or the manner in which someone utters a word. If one is said to have "correct pronunciation", then it refers to both within a particular dialect. A word can be pronunciation in different ways by various individuals or groups, depending on many factors, such as: the area in which they grew up, the area in which they now live, if they have a speech or voice disorder, their ethnic group, their social class, or their education. 2."but if you do,you can take it in 2 days", this is an exaggeration,but i didnt mean only in 2 days, i mean you can find the right way to learn it effectively. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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