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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6438 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes  Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 9 of 22 30 April 2011 at 8:17pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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There are also tiny fledgling fragments of independent literature. http://www.istad.org/tolkien/poetry.html has some original poems. http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/sdprose.html has original prose.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35458 discusses verse forms; there are apparently several people actively writing verse in Tolkien's languages. And here is a grammar: http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/u pcat&CISOPTR=1204 There are clearly people making a serious study of it, and the resources that posts above posited do appear to exist, though the literature looks scanty (but I could be missing something about the literature - the above is from a couple of minutes searching, and I have no real interest in Tolkien's languages). Tolkien spent quite a lot of time on language construction, including inventing families of languages and their proto-languages, and the languages seem to have a surprisingly large community. I can see merit in not listing half-developed conlangs which only interest a handful of people. Both the apparent size of the Sindarin community, and the sheer fact that more than one forum member has seriously claimed to want to study it makes me think that it would probably make sense to include it. Edit: it's probably worth mentioning Tolkien's "A secret vice" lecture, mentioned at http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/vice.htm His lifelong hobby was inventing languages, he wrote his fiction books to create worlds for the languages to live in, and he wanted to write and publish a lot more about his languages, but people around him weren't interested. It's a pity he's not around to see the people who are fascinated by them. Edited by Volte on 30 April 2011 at 8:23pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Michael K. Senior Member United States Joined 5728 days ago 568 posts - 886 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Esperanto | Message 10 of 22 04 May 2011 at 8:20pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I was thinking of dabble a little in Quenya, but have decided not to do so at this time.
Here's a link to Quenya & Sindarin for those who are interested: The Council of Elrond, basically a fan site. You need to register to see the language material (Quenya & Sindarin, some other of Tolkien's languages) but it's free: http://www.councilofelrond.com/index.php I should also add that Quenya is the most well-developed of Tolkien's languages. Edited by Michael K. on 04 May 2011 at 8:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Lianne Senior Member Canada thetoweringpile.blog Joined 5114 days ago 284 posts - 410 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Toki Pona, German, French | Message 11 of 22 05 May 2011 at 4:06am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I'm curious as to where this has been demonstrated, and when. Since Marc Okrand is still alive, and still adding to the Klingon language, it wouldn't really be fair to judge it as incomplete. In any case, it certainly has a dictionary (the one I have is pretty good, and it's fairly old, so there may be a bigger, better one now). I don't know how much original literature has been written in Klingon, but it certainly has a wealth of translated literature, including the Bible and some Shakespeare. Personally, I think it's silly that Klingon isn't on the list. I can understand languages not being added because no one's thought of it, but once someone requests one, it seems elitist to say that some languages aren't worthy. (By the way, none of the above should be taken as a personal attack on mrwarper. I'm just making a point.) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5225 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 12 of 22 05 May 2011 at 9:52am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
How about the fact that unless it weren't quite incomplete, there would be little need to add to it in the first place? Besides that, well, is there a Klingon word for 'table' now? Since when exactly? ;)
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Or was it translated from German, or Russian? ;)
I'd hardly take something like that, especially coming from someone I've never met, as an attack, let alone a personal one. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| gambi Newbie New Zealand Joined 5108 days ago 37 posts - 52 votes Speaks: English Studies: Indonesian, Burmese | Message 13 of 22 05 May 2011 at 10:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Well,....perhaps on the planet where Klingons live, they don't consider any of our human languages to be 'complete'. I guess it's just a matter of perspective. :P
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| Luai_lashire Diglot Senior Member United States luai-lashire.deviant Joined 5827 days ago 384 posts - 560 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto Studies: Japanese, French | Message 14 of 22 05 May 2011 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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There is always a need to add to languages, including natural ones. Language is so inconstant and prone to
fluctuation that to describe it as "complete" or "incomplete" is foolish at best. It would be better to use a measure that asks not if there is a word for everything, but whether or not you can talk about everything, including things for which there does not seem to be a word. A person who has never seen an airplane before can't name it, but they can certainly talk about it. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| FrostBlast Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5098 days ago 168 posts - 254 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Icelandic | Message 15 of 22 06 May 2011 at 4:45am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I think the criteria for a language to be called "real" should be whether or not it has evolved on its own. Evolving is one of the main things languages do constantly.
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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6438 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 16 of 22 06 May 2011 at 6:09am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Tolkien's languages have, as far as I can see. They have a surprisingly large community of enthusiasts, who stretch them further. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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