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| tennisfan Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5363 days ago 130 posts - 247 votes  Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish Studies: German | Message 1 of 4 15 May 2011 at 8:25pm | IP Logged |
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I know that depending on the area and dialect, the "r" in Dutch is sometimes flipped, rolled, or sometimes is like an American "r," etc. I'm just going through Michel Thomas Dutch right now, and I have noticed that the Dutch speaker sometimes does both. For example, they say the sentence:
"Ik kan het doen, maar hier niet." She usually flips her r's, and one time she flipped both in "maar" and then in "hier," but then the next time she said it, she only flipped "maar" and not "hier." It's one thing if no one flips their r's, or if everyone does, but is it normal to flip some and not the others? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| ReneeMona Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5338 days ago 864 posts - 1274 votes Speaks: Dutch*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 2 of 4 15 May 2011 at 8:45pm | IP Logged |
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Yes, that's perfectly normal. The pronunciation of the r doesn't just depend on the dialect but also on the letters surrounding it or just the personal preference of the speaker. In hier and maar it is preceded by a vowel, which is when it is usually pronounced like an American r.
Are you referring to the foundation course? If I remember correctly, the teacher in that course had a standard Western accent, which makes it a little unusual that she would trill the r in hier and maar at all. When I listened to the first lesson, I remember thinking that it sounded like she was making a deliberate effort to trill her r. I'm not sure why she would do that though. Perhaps she didn't want to confuse her students that early on in the course. ;-) Edited by ReneeMona on 15 May 2011 at 8:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tennisfan Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5363 days ago 130 posts - 247 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish Studies: German | Message 3 of 4 15 May 2011 at 10:57pm | IP Logged |
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Take a listen here, just a couple short samples---for example, she introduces it and rolls the r's, and then in most of the examples in sentences, she doesn't roll them. But then the last one, on "hier," it sounds like she does, but only slightly:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/90190655847feaad/ So would it sound strange to roll the r at the end of "maar" and "hier"? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| egill Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5699 days ago 418 posts - 791 votes Speaks: Mandarin, English* Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 4 of 4 16 May 2011 at 9:52am | IP Logged |
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I asked about this quite a while ago:
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=21751 The paper I mentioned in there talks about the distribution of r-variations in the Dutch-speaking world. Hope this helps a little. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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