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| Cowlegend999 Groupie CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5144 days ago 72 posts - 94 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Cantonese | Message 9 of 34 06 April 2011 at 7:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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I pronounce it like you do and I was entirely u aware that other people pronounce that particular vowel
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| aabram Pentaglot Senior Member Estonia Joined 5533 days ago 138 posts - 263 votes Speaks: Estonian*, English, Spanish, Russian, Finnish Studies: Mandarin, French | Message 10 of 34 06 April 2011 at 8:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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I could't possibly rhyme "father" with "bother" because my "bother" is more like "fodder"
and my "father" is more like "rather". And my "rather" is definitely long. Just as Doitsujin, we learned our English with IPA too in school and every time I see instructions "Y in X sounds just like Z in Q" I have to pause to think whether it is meant to be British or American way. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5693 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish | Message 11 of 34 06 April 2011 at 11:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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Splog and schoenewaelder, your posts cracked me up!
I feel better now. It's good to see so much support. Cainntear, great example of the schwa problem! My suggestion would, I guess, be "like the 'a' in 'alone'" – but immediately you have the problem that people still pronounce that word differently. Keilan, you're a perfect example of what I'm talking about! (If you'll forgive me for calling you an example.) Following pronunciation guides, it would make perfect sense to do exactly what you're doing. However, the "a" in "tag" and "nach" actually isn't a dipthong at all! I would advise going for the "ahhhh" sound (except of course not held for so long). Certain German accents do pronounce the "a" a little closer to "o," but I've never heard it diphthongized. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| cntrational Triglot Groupie India Joined 5127 days ago 49 posts - 66 votes Speaks: Hindi, Telugu, English* Studies: French | Message 12 of 34 07 April 2011 at 12:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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It always confuses me how, when talking about the French u or the German ü, I never hear anybody describe it as 'pronounce ü/[ y ] [ i ]/"ee" but with your lips rounded like [ u ]/"oo"'. Sure, that's slightly inaccurate ([y] has a different type of rounding), but it's much better than the confusing nonsense I've seen.
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| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5560 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 13 of 34 07 April 2011 at 5:34pm | IP Logged | ||
Don't try and pin that on me. You were clearly already unstable... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| rapp Senior Member United States Joined 5731 days ago 129 posts - 204 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish | Message 14 of 34 07 April 2011 at 6:37pm | IP Logged | ||
Well, there's your problem - you're pronouncing "bother" wrong. ;-) For me, a Southerner, "father", "bother", "hot", and "got" all have the same "ahh" sound in them and nary a "w" in sight. "Dog" on the other hand... 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| PonyGirl Groupie United States Joined 5019 days ago 54 posts - 70 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 15 of 34 09 April 2011 at 10:46pm | IP Logged | ||
Precisely what I was thinking ;) What part of the U.S, are you from, Jinx? Just to get some background for your accent :P I say father and bother similarly, but there is a slight difference. I say father like "fahh-ther." Now if you think about British accents, they don't really use a long "a" in bother. It really does appear that the long "a" sound in "bother" is the problem, not the use in "father." 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5693 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish | Message 16 of 34 10 April 2011 at 12:22am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm from Massachusetts, but my accent isn't really very Massachusettsian. People always think I'm from somewhere else when I talk, but their estimates have been all over the place. I was exaggerating a bit when I said that I pronounce "father" and "bother" the same – the "o" in "bother" is slightly shorter (time-wise) than the "a" in "father" for me. But it's the closest approximation, besides "aw," that I could come up with.
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