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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6011 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes  Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 17 of 34 10 April 2011 at 1:46am | IP Logged | |||||
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Remember, folks, that "aw" doesn't imply any "W" sound. "aw" is mostly used to denote a "soft A" sound. (eg: I saw the maw gnaw on the flaw in the paw of the law.)
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| Lucky Charms Diglot Senior Member Japan lapacifica.net Joined 6949 days ago 752 posts - 1711 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: German, Spanish | Message 18 of 34 10 April 2011 at 5:05am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm from California, and I pronounce "father", "bother", "paw", and "dog" all with the
same vowel. I've never been puzzled by those layman descriptions of how to pronounce a segment. So now I guess we know who those descriptions are written for: you should imagine how a Californian would pronounce them! ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5693 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish | Message 19 of 34 10 April 2011 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Lucky Charms, quick question: would you pronounce "paw" and "pa" (as in "pa and ma") identically?
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| Lucky Charms Diglot Senior Member Japan lapacifica.net Joined 6949 days ago 752 posts - 1711 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: German, Spanish | Message 20 of 34 11 April 2011 at 5:18am | IP Logged | |||||
Yeah, for me they're indistinguishible. I get the feeling we don't have a very rich inventory of vowel phonemes here... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 6050 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 21 of 34 11 April 2011 at 6:33am | IP Logged | |||||
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disregard this post Edited by irrationale on 11 April 2011 at 7:25am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| pinkeyemusic Newbie United States Joined 4976 days ago 4 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Latin, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 22 of 34 11 April 2011 at 9:53am | IP Logged | |||||
to crack (someone) up means to make them laugh, not crazy! what a crackup! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| pinkeyemusic Newbie United States Joined 4976 days ago 4 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Latin, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 23 of 34 11 April 2011 at 10:01am | IP Logged | |||||
I read recently that we in California speak 'lowest common denominator' English due to our lack of vowel diversity. peg, met and FR pere (father) are the same vowels. cot and caught paw and pa etc. I'm pretty sure the reason why the word 'father' is used is because it's one of the only words with the desired sound that is actually written with an 'a'. It would be much more confusing for non-English speakers if the book said pronounced like 'o' in 'hot' even though it's much closer. The vowel in GER 'nach' is usually written in English with 'o' or 'au' or any number of other orthographic messes. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lucky Charms Diglot Senior Member Japan lapacifica.net Joined 6949 days ago 752 posts - 1711 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: German, Spanish | Message 24 of 34 11 April 2011 at 5:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
I prefer to think of it as "neat and streamlined" ;) Try telling my poor English students that I lack vowel diversity, though! After they've struggled to distinguish a - æ - ə and i - ɪ, I'm happy to be able to cut them some slack when it comes to a few others. "/ɔ/, you ask? Forget about it. Not worth knowing. Even I can't pronounce it!" (Just kidding. I try my best to explain it to them and to foster an appreciation of all varieties of English, but luckily for them, I can't insist they produce phonemes that are foreign to me as well.) Edited by Lucky Charms on 11 April 2011 at 5:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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