nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5419 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean
| Message 17 of 42 26 May 2011 at 6:40pm | IP Logged |
Levi wrote:
nway wrote:
It's indeed a fair tradeoff, given that one linguistically distinct cultural group (in this case, Russian) doesn't have much legitimacy to rule over the homeland of another linguistically distinct cultural group (in this case, Komi). It's the "price to pay" for Russia's geographic magnitude, so to speak. |
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So how about the U.S.? Would you support the same policy here with regard to Native American languages? |
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In the small pockets of the U.S. where a linguistically unified Native American population comprises at least about a quarter of the population, sure.
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Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5571 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian
| Message 18 of 42 31 May 2011 at 8:13pm | IP Logged |
nway wrote:
Levi wrote:
nway wrote:
It's indeed a fair tradeoff, given that one linguistically distinct cultural group (in this case, Russian) doesn't have much legitimacy to rule over the homeland of another linguistically distinct cultural group (in this case, Komi). It's the "price to pay" for Russia's geographic magnitude, so to speak. |
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So how about the U.S.? Would you support the same policy here with regard to Native American languages? |
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In the small pockets of the U.S. where a linguistically unified Native American population comprises at least about a quarter of the population, sure. |
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Fair enough.
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zerothinking Senior Member Australia Joined 6376 days ago 528 posts - 772 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 19 of 42 31 May 2011 at 11:49pm | IP Logged |
I think any government money spent on getting people to learn an otherwise useless
language is wasted.
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Dragomanno Triglot Groupie Zimbabwe Joined 5007 days ago 80 posts - 98 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishC2, GermanB2 Studies: Romanian, Serbo-Croatian, Latin, Lithuanian, Albanian, Ancient Greek
| Message 20 of 42 01 June 2011 at 12:04am | IP Logged |
zerothinking wrote:
I think any government money spent on getting people to learn an otherwise useless
language is wasted. |
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"Useless" is a quite tricky word. Of course Komi is unlike to become the next world trade language. On the other hand, over the centuries the major political powers spent a lot of government money just on eradicating native languages, like in the case of Breton in France, Irish when was under the British law and Lithuanian under Soviet Union. In your Australia, Zerothinking, the policy implemented towards Aborigens was almost genocidical until very recent times. If central governments are finally up to, say, pay their debts I think only good can come from it.
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aabram Pentaglot Senior Member Estonia Joined 5537 days ago 138 posts - 263 votes Speaks: Estonian*, English, Spanish, Russian, Finnish Studies: Mandarin, French
| Message 21 of 42 01 June 2011 at 7:51pm | IP Logged |
Darn, big nations have totally different measurement scale than us, small guys.
According to Wikipedia there are 293 000 Komi speakers. That's a lot of people living
"in the forests near the mountains". Iceland has population of 318 000 and I've yet to
see somebody scorning Icelandic off as a language which is spoken by mere 0,3 million
people who all live "on the rock somewhere in the sea".
Also, this statement
zerothinking wrote:
I think any government money spent on getting people to learn an
otherwise useless language is wasted. |
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deserves an award on its own. There are 300 000 people out there struggling to revive
their culture and then along comes a cowboy dismissing them as useless in a single
sweeping statement. Brilliant, just brilliant. Sure, let's just spend all the money on
useful things like building more gas lines and more iPhone factories.
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Darklight1216 Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5104 days ago 411 posts - 639 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German
| Message 22 of 42 01 June 2011 at 8:16pm | IP Logged |
It's nice that they're trying to preserve the language, but I was compelled to study one language and I hated it. As far as Native American languages go, I'd be strongly opposed to mandatory studying. Since there are relatively few speakers, there would probably be very few fluent teachers and many students would be stuck reading a grammar book and memorizing verb conjugations.
Edited by Darklight1216 on 01 June 2011 at 8:21pm
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5385 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 23 of 42 01 June 2011 at 8:34pm | IP Logged |
kyssäkaali wrote:
Being forced to learn a language in this way though (in school) creates resentment for the language in question and achieves the opposite of what it was going for. |
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It's a school subject. That's all it is, a school subject. If people are resentful because a language is taught to them in school, they likely would have been resentful without it as well.
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МаркомаРNewbie Russian Federation Joined 5009 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes
| Message 24 of 42 01 June 2011 at 8:38pm | IP Logged |
Dragomanno wrote:
and Lithuanian under Soviet Union. |
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Total false. Where did you get this information?
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