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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5766 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 17 of 22 03 June 2011 at 12:12am | IP Logged | |||||
Not everyone. There are those who swear by that book, loudly and frequently, there are those who can use it to their advantage or leave it be and there are those who find it an utter waste of their time. I myself have little difficulty learning multiple readings for a character, I even remember how to read words I do not know the meaning of if I read them with furigana - but the meaning won't stick if I don't know the reading. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lasciel Groupie United States Joined 5373 days ago 55 posts - 81 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 18 of 22 03 June 2011 at 5:41am | IP Logged | |||||
Truth! I suppose I really mean it's the method I've heard people recommend the most. Myself, I'd rather drill over every single obscure reading and learn them that way, even it takes much longer and regardless if it's the most effective or not, I think it's the most enjoyable. I guess there's people that study Japanese at least in part because of kanji and then there's people that study Japanese in spite of kanji. /tangent 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 19 of 22 03 June 2011 at 6:15am | IP Logged | |||||
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Imagine studing English without English alphabet because it is different from that of my
native language. Even languages with Latin alphabet use it in completely different ways. Alphabetical systems cannot be compared with others. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| starrye Senior Member United States Joined 5094 days ago 172 posts - 280 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 20 of 22 06 June 2011 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
I used Heisig to learn my first few hundred kanji. I think it's a great method for actually remembering stroke orders and learning how to physically write characters by hand. One could adapt it to use Japanese keywords instead of English, if you wanted to...or just make up your own "stories" based on radicals. It basically just teaches you a method of creating mnemonics for yourself. You don't need Heisig's book to do that, of course. But as far as meanings and readings-- I prefer to just learn them as I go along, in no particular order, as part of new vocabulary I learn. If I have an example word to reference, then the reading seems to stick more readily. For instance, I remember easily that 心 can possibly be read しん or こころ, because I've already learned words such as 心、 心配、 心臓、etc... From these same vocab words, you also get that ぱい is one possible reading for the character 配, and 臓 is read ぞう and has to do with internal organs...and so on, and so forth. If you can associate one common reading or kanji compound for a character, then that at least gives you the ability to type it out and look it up in a dictionary. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5766 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 21 of 22 06 June 2011 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
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配 - はい actually, ぱい is onbin.
I'm quite fascinated; I wouldn't ever have thought of 心配 as an example for a word with 心 in it because 心配 is just 心配. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| starrye Senior Member United States Joined 5094 days ago 172 posts - 280 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 22 of 22 07 June 2011 at 3:05am | IP Logged | |||||
配 is read はい, and inflects to either ぱい or ばい in some words where it appears in compounds... I guess that a word like 心配 starts off as just 心配 at first. I don't deliberately seek out related example words for corresponding kanji. I just learn vocab words first, then learn the kanji as they come. It's not a method that's best for everyone, but that's how I do it... you can pick up on common patterns by paying attention to how kanji are used in words in context. But I do it because it gives me a "hook" to remember them. Edited by starrye on 07 June 2011 at 4:17am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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