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| qklilx Moderator United States Joined 6192 days ago 459 posts - 477 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Korean Personal Language Map | Message 9 of 213 18 June 2009 at 2:29pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Passively, in text, going from the target language into English I can learn about 30-40 words in a day, almost every day, and keep them in my memory for a few weeks without ever having to recall them. Going the other way around is more like 10-20. Actively is maybe around 5-10. After about two reviews a month apart each I can have about 75% of it all in my head passively and 50-60% actively.
Do you think your high amount of input would be as easy for you if you were to study a language completely different from those that you know? Edited by qklilx on 18 June 2009 at 2:33pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| fairyfountain Senior Member Zimbabwe Joined 6134 days ago 254 posts - 248 votes 5 sounds | Message 10 of 213 18 June 2009 at 2:36pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Well, I don't have the time, to be honest. My main goal is to sound completely American, and I'm working really hard on that right now. I'd rather know 10k words and be able to native, that's it. However, during the summer vacation, I'll try to take care of the vocabulary issue. I did forget some of the words that I learned that way, but I watch so much English and American stuff that I just can't forget *everything*, just because I stumble upon the new words so much. Knowing lots of words but not being able to pronounce them reeeeally well is not my dope. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5844 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 11 of 213 18 June 2009 at 2:53pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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For the record FairyFountain: There is nothing whatsoever wrong with having a chic French accent when speaking English.
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| fairyfountain Senior Member Zimbabwe Joined 6134 days ago 254 posts - 248 votes 5 sounds | Message 12 of 213 18 June 2009 at 3:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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LOL. I love it when people say that, I hear that everyday.
I hate most French accents in English, it's just me. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Kris Newbie Australia Joined 5682 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, German | Message 13 of 213 18 June 2009 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Normally between 30-50 words per day.
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| FuroraCeltica Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6871 days ago 1187 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 14 of 213 18 June 2009 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I think it depends on what you mean by learn. It is one thing to make a flash card of a new word, quite another to recall it and remember it, and quite another again before you could use it in active language.
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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6709 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 15 of 213 18 June 2009 at 7:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Just for the record: when I speak about numbers of words without further qualification I always refer to passive, but well-established words - no doubts and no guessing allowed. However for the sake of this thread I just made a miniature experiment. I took one of my Russian wordlists from the beginning of the month, covered up everything apart from one column of Danish words and went through them to see whether I remembered the corresponding Russian word. There were 29 Danish words and 32 Russian words (because I always note the Russian verbs in pairs, perfective and imperfective), and I could remember slightly less than half the words: 14. Then I turned the page and did exactly the same thing with a Russian column, also with 32 words, and out of these I just missed three. I'm quite satisfied with getting 14 supposedly active words out of 32 from one column, but it is an open question whether I would also remember the words in a practical situation, standing forlorn in the snow on a street corner in a Russian town.
I know from experience that it is easy to learn the first few words (for instance for a travel), but they should be learned from context. Learning words directly from a dictionary like I do is hard in the beginning because you need to make all sorts of memory tricks to remember them, and still they just seep out of your memory. But with persistance this situation changes because you build up a repertoire of vaguely remembered words and with time you learn enough words to be able to build associations between known and unknown words. When that happens it suddenly becomes much easier to memorize new words. If you study a related language you can use associations across languages when you memorize new words, and this evidently speeds up the transition from the first slow phase to the 'fast track' phase. Conversely, learning a completely unrelated language with few 'international' loanwords forces you to spend longer time in the agonizing first phase. However there is a catch, which is tied to the organization of the brain. I learn languages in groups, but I have read that some people learn each new language so to say from the bottom, and their languages then stay isolated in the brain. In that case it would evidently be less important whether the languages were related or not. Edited by Iversen on 18 June 2009 at 7:36pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Rycerz Newbie Poland Joined 5761 days ago 33 posts - 33 votes Studies: Ukrainian, Polish* Studies: English | Message 16 of 213 18 June 2009 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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You write how manny words do you can lern, but by what long time?
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