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TerryW Senior Member United States Joined 6358 days ago 370 posts - 783 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 9 of 13 08 April 2011 at 11:50pm | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
It's just numerology... and people who believed in it were easy to recognize because they changed the spelling of their names in strange ways. |
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Singer Dionne Warwick, who just "got fired" from Donald Trump's "Celebrity Apprentice" the other week, once had an astrologer (Linda Goodman, author of "Love Signs") tell her that she should add an "E" to her name (as in "Warwicke") for numerological reasons.
When she took that advice (put it on album covers, etc.) she had all kinds of bad luck happen, so she took the "E" back off.
From her autobiography (see middle of page 81):
D. Warwick autobiography
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6123 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian
| Message 10 of 13 09 April 2011 at 1:35am | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
It's just numerology under a new name - i.e. the idea that a name can be converted into a number, that has some hidden meaning. That thing was popular some years ago, and people who believed in it were easy to recognize because they changed the spelling of their names in strange ways. |
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This is an ancient Hebrew concept called גימטריה (Gematria). In Biblical Hebrew there are no numbers, the letters double as numbers. Thus letters of any word can be added together. Ancient Greek also had Germatria thus the Bible verse:
This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666. Rev 13:18.
666 in Ancient Greek is χξϛ where:
χ = 600
ξ = 60
ϛ = 6
Total = 666
Some have tried to say that Nero was the Antichrist since his name in Aramaic is נרון קסר (neron qasar "nun" "resh" "waw" "nun" "qoph" "samek" "resh") thus
nun = 50
resh = 200
waw = 6
nun = 50
qoph = 100
samek = 60
resh = 200
Total = 666
However this is bogus because the book of Revelation was written after Nero died.
Edited by JW on 09 April 2011 at 1:37am
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 11 of 13 09 April 2011 at 1:58am | IP Logged |
Not only that, but a particularly well-researched translation of the Bible has a footnote saying that 666 is probably wrong, and the original was more likely 616.
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6123 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian
| Message 12 of 13 09 April 2011 at 2:31am | IP Logged |
Cainntear wrote:
Not only that, but a particularly well-researched translation of the Bible has a footnote saying that 666 is probably wrong, and the original was more likely 616. |
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Yes, but this is a minority variant based on a very small number of manuscripts. If you check all the English translations and translations into other languages (at least the ones I can read), all have 666. 616 only rates a footnote.
Also, 666 is a very descriptive number in Biblical Numerology, 6 being the number of Man and 3 being the number of completion and entirety. Thus 666 is Man in complete and entire rebellion against God: The Antichrist.
Also the Greek of Rev 13:18 reads:
ἀριθμὸς γὰρ ἀνθρώπου ἐστιν
arithmos gar anthropou estin
which means "for (it) is the number of man" which is 6 not 1.
Edited by JW on 09 April 2011 at 2:32am
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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 13 of 13 10 April 2011 at 1:34am | IP Logged |
Obviously It was not meant to be taken literally, it
refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.
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