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BOLIO
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 Message 65 of 344
31 March 2014 at 3:04pm | IP Logged 
The trip was fun and I had a good time with friends. However, I did not spend as much time on my Spanish as I thought I would have done. Oh well, a new week is here. Yesterday, I did get caught up on my ANKI. I am working through 6 different decks.

Weeks' goals;

Listen while reading 5 chapters from my book (Highlight unknown words)
Iversen wordlist the words from book
FSI Units 4 and part of 5
ANKI decks every other day
4 Passive Assimil lessons
Duolingo daily during down time

32 hrs done / 418 to go

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BOLIO
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 Message 66 of 344
31 March 2014 at 8:45pm | IP Logged 
I wanted to share a surprise. I just bought tickets for me and the family for Mexico. We are traveling to a part of Mexico that I knew very little about. It is in the State of Chiapas. We have family that has taken an extended trip down there and have fallen in love with the people. They live in San Cristobal de las casas. We will be leaving the first week of June for 10 days. My family and I are very excited! I am super motivated to study as much and as hard as I can for our trip. I am certain I can schedule 15 hrs of study per week (times 9 weeks = 135 hrs of study). I hope I can improve a lot between now and then. Our family says the area does not have a huge "Gringo" population compared to other areas in Mexico and they claim in will be quite easy to avoid English while being there. I am studying as much as I can about the area and I have always been fascinated with Pre-Columbian cultures. There are places to see sites from the Mokaya,Olmec and Mayan cultures.

This means we will have to put off our trip to Querétaro until next year. However,it will be worth it because we will be with our family in Chiapas. And Querétaro gives me something, as far as Spanish travel, to look forward to for next year.

¡Adelante!
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James29
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 Message 67 of 344
01 April 2014 at 1:47am | IP Logged 
Chiapas is a great destination. It is near the top of my list for spots to go in Mexico. It has huge advantages... fascinating culture, wonderful people, great food and I believe it is the cheapest place in Mexico too. That's motivating. Enjoy.
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Crush
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 Message 68 of 344
01 April 2014 at 5:05am | IP Logged 
nancydowns wrote:

Again, I'm not Crush, :-) but my understanding is that the verb haber (conjugated in the present tense) plus the past participle is the present perfect. If you are into
grammar, that is like an event that either has ended (been perfected), without some specific time element or is continuing into the present. Like "I have already
eaten." or "I have walked 2 miles so far." But something completed a long time ago or with a specific time element would be the preterite. Like "I ate at noon." or "I
ran 2 miles yesterday." Then we get into the imperfect... AGHHH!!! :-) Ha!

There are other tenses that use Haber+Past Participle, but haber is conjugated for a different tense. for present perfect, it is congugated "he, has, ha, hemos, han
(leaving out vosotros)" Does that make sense? And does anyone else reading have anything to add, or please correct me if I'm wrong, because I also am just learning
Spanish and need help with my grammar! :-)
It's worth noting that, while often similar, the two tenses (by that i mean the English present perfect and Spanish present perfect) don't always match up. For example, in Spanish you'll generally use the present perfect for EVERYTHING that happened today, even if you specify when. In English, we'll generally switch to the past (I have run today vs I ran this morning). In Spanish, you'd generally say "he corrido hoy" and "esta mañana he corrido". There are also dialectical differences. In Latin America, you'll see it used more as we use it in English, whereas in Spain you can hear things like "hace una semana lo he visto hablando con mi amiga". I think it generally gives it a sense of affecting the present still, like "hace cinco meses que mi mujer me ha dejado" gives it a sense that you aren't quite over it, whereas "mi mujer me dejó hace cinco meses" is a more blunt way of saying it, it kinda implies that you aren't really worried about it anymore or are just giving information. I believe in Latin America you'd normally use the preterite (vi and dejó) in both of these situations, just as we would in English.

I was actually surprised to see nancydown's explanation of the English present perfect, you must be an English teacher! I don't know many people who can actually explain their native language's grammar, especially not something as complex as a verb tense! In Spanish, i believe it's generally called the "pretérito perfecto compuesto" or sometimes "antepresente".

Anyway, Bolio, it's exciting to hear you'll be going on another trip!

EDIT: And just to clarify, if you just follow the English rules for the present perfect you'll generally be fine in Spanish. The real trouble tenses are the imperfect and preterite!

Edited by Crush on 01 April 2014 at 5:08am

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nancydowns
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 Message 69 of 344
02 April 2014 at 4:19am | IP Logged 
Crush wrote:

I was actually surprised to see nancydown's explanation of the English present perfect, you must be an English teacher!


Ha! Not an English teacher, but I do like grammar. I think that may be a good thing and a bad thing in learning languages. I think I get too focused on grammar
too early, and it also hinders me from wanting to speak because I want to be proper. I wouldn't say anything (except colloquialisms) in bad grammar in English, and
I don't want to in another language, either. I probably know quite a bit of Spanish grammar for my level of learning because I have focused on it so much, but I
don't have the vocabulary that someone at my level should have because I left that on the back burner... so now I need to learn some words! :-)

But really for Bolio, don't worry too much about the names of the tenses and being perfectly proper. You have some absolutely wonderful opportunities to just speak
and to hear, so you will start picking up the correct way to get your point across.
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nancydowns
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 Message 70 of 344
02 April 2014 at 4:22am | IP Logged 
Wow, Bolio! I am so glad you get to go to Mexico! That is sooo wonderful. You are definitely going to be speeding ahead of me, especially
if you put in 15 hours a week on Spanish. That's where learning two at once isn't doing me any favors! :-) But I will enjoy seeing your
progress, and it will motivate me to keep going!
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BOLIO
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 Message 71 of 344
02 April 2014 at 5:56pm | IP Logged 
I have fallen behind schedule for the week as far as hours. Monday was OK with 2 hrs but yesterday was horrible. I had 15 minutes for the day and that was forced into my schedule so that I could continue to say that I study Spanish every day. However, today will be a big day as my schedule allows me Wednesday nights for more study and as of writing this, I already have an hour under my belt before coming to work today. I will finish unit 4 today in FSI along with 2 hours of Reading/Listening/wordlisting tonight. Also, I am two days behind on 6 decks of ANKI.

I have also dug up My Michel Thomas Spanish for time in my vehicle. I love the structure of the tapes but the UK Student grinds on my nerves to the point I have never finished the course. Also, MTs accent is tough to listen to but the design of the course is very nice. I will complete it while traveling to and from work and while I am out and about.

Hours Completed 35
Hours to go 415

Edited by BOLIO on 02 April 2014 at 6:57pm

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Crush
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 Message 72 of 344
03 April 2014 at 2:20am | IP Logged 
Another option is the Language Transfer Spanish course. It's not finished yet, but it's free and just has one student who probably won't have as many mistakes. The Greek course is wonderful, though i've never done the Spanish one (it came out a bit too late for it to really be useful for me). It's a similar style to Michel Thomas, but with a much better accent (probably an Argentinian accent).


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