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| Abdalan Triglot Senior Member Brazil abdalan.wordpress.co Joined 5047 days ago 120 posts - 194 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, French, English Studies: German | Message 25 of 36 26 March 2011 at 2:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I would rather R.E.M. playing in background - Album Monster, first track, than "In a
gadda da vida." Yes, I also agree, harem is better here. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| CaucusWolf Senior Member United States Joined 5273 days ago 191 posts - 234 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Arabic (Written), Japanese | Message 26 of 36 27 March 2011 at 6:12am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Honestly, I'm appalled by many of the comments made about Islam. Intellectually one should not come to someone on a forum and ask them if something means this or that. This is not the place to find facts about religion, this is a place to discuss and build theories and understanding about languages.
This is why I asked to find the knowledge yourself through reliable sources. That being said, don't take my word for what I write.(as I'm just some random person posting in a forum and my word is not perfect.) There are many different views in religion and you'll rarely find one simple answer to a question. As stated Jihad might be translatated as "holy war" but is more often translated into "struggle".(and جهاد (jihad) is argued not be thought of as always meaning "holy war". In my personal opinion you can't understand it through translation.) Even if we translated the word to mean "holy war" what does this or "struggle" mean to a specific individual. One person believes it is the mental and even physical combat with his/her own spirtuality, the other says it is the fighting of an 'opressor'(which could be used very broadly.) through words and/or actions. There are also those who believe it is both. (There are many opinions I'm missing)The problem is that there is no one answer on what Jihad means.(the definitions I gave are very simple and to the point. The full opinions are far more in depth than this.) Furthermore, making Jihad one of the words in the understanding campaign is not something that could be done justice to. The indivual himself/herself has to study it and make his/her own assumptions about what it does or doesnt mean to him/her. Edited by CaucusWolf on 27 March 2011 at 7:37am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5335 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 27 of 36 27 March 2011 at 9:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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How did we get from butterfly to Jihad? I cannot recall to have seen the Arabic word for butterfly? Can someone remind me, if it is already in this post and I missed it, or teach me if it is not? I am sure it is a beautiful word, coming from such a beautiful language.
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| anothername Triglot Groupie Brazil Joined 5062 days ago 96 posts - 195 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Spanish, English | Message 28 of 36 27 March 2011 at 10:28pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It seems to be "farasha" (فَراشة) I really think we westerners tend to overestimate the religious aspect of the arabic world, and this thread obsession with "jihad", since a random arabic word was suggested, may be a symptom of it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| CaucusWolf Senior Member United States Joined 5273 days ago 191 posts - 234 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Arabic (Written), Japanese | Message 29 of 36 28 March 2011 at 1:55am | IP Logged | ||||||||
It suprises me how closed minded people really are. When one lumps a specific group together saying they're all the same it leads to things like the holocaust. I'm very suprised that some of these posters didn't get banned or that this thread didn't get locked. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5335 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 30 of 36 28 March 2011 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
In a forum like this we must expect that there are political divergences, and as long as no person or group is being slandered, I see no reason why banning or closing of threads should be used. However I do prefer that we stay on topic and discuss the different words for butterflies. Any more languages we could include? Does anyone know the word for butterfly in Hebrew? I am sure that is another awsome word. And I was right about the Arabic word for butterfly - farasha (فَراشة) is a beautiful word. At least to my ears :-) Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 28 March 2011 at 12:34pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Leurre Bilingual Pentaglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5426 days ago 219 posts - 372 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Korean, Haitian Creole, SpanishC2 Studies: Japanese | Message 31 of 36 28 March 2011 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I saw this thread getting so long and thought to myself 'it's probably filled with people
giving different translations for the word 'butterfly', how nice. So I'm going to not break my fantasy and contribute. In Korean, you would say 'Na-bi' 나비 It sounds very bright and serene for some reason, I really like it. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| TerryW Senior Member United States Joined 6358 days ago 370 posts - 783 votes Speaks: English* | Message 32 of 36 28 March 2011 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
When I read your quote, I, like a lot of the the other responders in this thread thought that it's pretty much a silly task language-learning-wise to "at least" learn butterfly in 20 langs. But looking online at the exact quote:
I don't interpret this to mean "the least you should do is learn how to say 'butterfly' in 20 langs," but more like: "Don't be like me, you should know 20 languages instead of just 1." Because the quote is so isolated in news articles, who knows why she used the word "butterfly," it probably was in some context to her earlier remarks or maybe something to do with the scenery on stage. Edited by TerryW on 28 March 2011 at 5:17pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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