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| bekus Triglot Newbie Mongolia Joined 6110 days ago 5 posts - 5 votes Speaks: German, Mongolian*, English Studies: Russian | Message 9 of 13 04 March 2009 at 1:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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If an army can conquer China,Russia,Arabs,Turks,parts of Europe etc.why should they lose a battle against Vietnamese Champa Kingdom?I think it has to do with the geographical attractivity of Vietnam and the hole Southern area (tropical)
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| Alkeides Senior Member Bhutan Joined 6148 days ago 636 posts - 644 votes  | Message 10 of 13 04 March 2009 at 4:12pm | IP Logged | ||
There might be something about that region that lends itself well to guerilla warfare Mongol Invasions of Vietnam The article did say that the Vietnamese were forced to be tributaries of the Yuan court, though of course that was just nominal, the empire would fall apart soon after that anyway. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Qinshi Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5753 days ago 115 posts - 183 votes Speaks: Vietnamese*, English Studies: French, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 11 of 13 05 March 2009 at 9:15am | IP Logged | ||
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It probably was because Kublai's men were not used to the climate and geography of Vietnam. I'm not really an expert when it comes to warfare so yeah, I wouldn't have a clue!
P.S: War is bad! NO MORE WAR! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nadia Triglot Groupie Russian Federation Joined 5514 days ago 50 posts - 98 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, French Studies: Hindi | Message 12 of 13 23 October 2009 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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This is interesting. I didn't know those facts about Genghis Khan and Alexander. Certainly Russia didn't very much enjoy the various Khans, be it Genghis or Batu or Mamai or Tokhtamysh, that it had to deal with during the Tartar invasion and the Golden Horde of 1223-1480.
It is a curious thing and I'm afraid every nation tends (or tended in history) to regard its famous leaders who "conquered" territories for their countries and were victorious as heroes rather than barbarians. Think Napoleon. The feeling I get is that he's a hero in France, but not so with Leo Tolstoy. (I may be wrong, mind, so anyone from France is welcome to correct me). Or Peter the Great in Russia - he's definitely regarded as a hero, because he "made a window into Europe" and built St.Petersburg, but he must have conquered that territory first from somebody - was it Finland or Sweden? History's not my strong point but I do remember something from the school lessons about the wars he led - the Northen war and so on. Or Ivan the Terrible - now, he conquered Kazan - not a joy for the Tartars at that time, I'm sure, although I am ignorant of the whole context - they must have come there first with the Batu hordes... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| psy88 Senior Member United States Joined 5591 days ago 469 posts - 882 votes Studies: Spanish*, Japanese, Latin, French | Message 13 of 13 24 October 2009 at 2:54am | IP Logged | ||
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Re: the debate of the virtues or lack thereof of the invaders/heroes/conquerers, Napoleon said "history is written by the victors."
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