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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6703 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes  Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 16 17 August 2009 at 10:39am | IP Logged | ||
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My first reaction as a moderator was to delete this thread, but I decided just to 'soften up' the title. If this develops into a flame war for and against Obama then it will be removed.
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| qklilx Moderator United States Joined 6186 days ago 459 posts - 477 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean Personal Language Map | Message 4 of 16 17 August 2009 at 1:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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I had the same reaction as Iversen, honestly. The article does allow for healthy discussion, though I'm uncertain as to how much it can bring without turning into a political debate. I personally do not know the languages in question other than English, so I can't really do much commenting.
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6122 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 5 of 16 19 August 2009 at 1:53am | IP Logged | ||
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Interesting article. However, the author seems to be throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Just because there have been incorrect attempts to identify the antichrist, that does not invalidate the prophecy that there will be a time when the antichrist does in fact come on the scene. From my reading of the Bible, I’m not sure it will be possible to identify him prior to the rapture of the church which must come first (2 Thes 2). The tribulation period comes immediately thereafter, during which time (a literal seven year period–Dan 9:24-27) the antichrist will come on the scene and fulfill all the prophecies concerning him in a very literal way.
I can certainly see why people would identify Obama as the antichrist, he does fit many of the prophecies. Also, from the standpoint of the Christian, if Obama is the antichrist, then the rapture, our “Blessed Hope” (Titus 2:13), is right around the corner. As for the 666 prediction (Rev 13:18) this is an interesting number in biblical numerology as 6 is the number of man in opposition to God and 3 (6 repeated 3 times) is the number of completion, thus 666 = man in complete opposition to God. It also seems to indicate that the letters of the antichrist’s name will add to 666 using gematria. However, there is no specification as to what language should be used as the base. Thus it is indeed open to speculation. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6272 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 6 of 16 19 August 2009 at 9:32am | IP Logged | ||
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I read the Book Of Revelations with the feeling the author was on some kind of hallucinogenic substance, and while I lack competence in New Testament Greek, it has been reported that the author has a weaker command of the language than do the authors of some other New Testament books. He does not appear to be the "John" responsible for the Gospel of that name.
It is not unique as an example of apocalyptic literature from its time, but it is the only one accepted as part of the Biblical canon, not without some opposition. Parts of Daniel and Ezekiel are apocalyptic. Edited by William Camden on 19 August 2009 at 10:11am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5838 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 7 of 16 19 August 2009 at 12:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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I posted about this earlier, but my post got removed. Since the thread is back on this topic, I'd again like to cautiously mention that the Book of Revelations (and Daniel) have convinced millions of non-European Christians that the EU may be the foundation for the future empire of the anti-christ, which is predicted in the Bible.
From my own knowledge of the Bible I can see why they (as evangelical/fundamentalist believers) would come to that conclusion. There really are some rather interesting matches. Add to that Israels recent restoration as a nation which was also part of the prophecy. However I don't share the view. But if the EU ever comes up with some mandate that people need to have a mark on their body to buy things (as per John) then I'll change my mind and repent for having supported the EU! And if any EU commissioners or other functionaries appear to have a "666" mark, or any other clear connection with this number, then well..... The old classic film "Omen" explains what needs to be done... Also, for the record: I THINK the John from Revelations is a different person to the John of the Gospels. Edited by cordelia0507 on 19 August 2009 at 6:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ExtraLean Triglot Senior Member France languagelearners.myf Joined 5994 days ago 897 posts - 880 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: German | Message 8 of 16 19 August 2009 at 12:47pm | IP Logged | ||
The attempted topic for this thread was the linguistic aspects related to name translation, using Mr Obama as an example. So talking about religion isn't bringing it back on topic, it's just wasting the moderators time.
Fair's fair. As long as you keep the discussion in lines of the translations etc etc then go nuts. I'm more than happy to lock, unlock, relock and delete this thread if needs be. But you guys need to make the supreme effort of will to keep it on topic, the two posts above this one are close to the edge. Thom. Edited by ExtraLean on 19 August 2009 at 3:30pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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