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slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6678 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 9 of 47 15 January 2011 at 6:51pm | IP Logged |
Splog wrote:
I am sure if the very same sentence pairs were available from a native speaker, people
(including Glossika) would be happy to use them. The problem, though, is that most
bilingual sentence lists are only available on paper - and it takes many hours to make
audio for them. So, it isn't really something you can reasonably expect a friend to do
for you, or (unless you are rich) pay somebody to do. Anyway, the purpose of the audio
sentences method is to absorb meaning not pronunciation. The argument that minor
mistakes in pronunciation being impossible to correct later is simply nonsense.
Overall, the audio sentences method is, at least in my experience, an excellent way of
throwing a lot of sentences at your ears very quickly and very often. It is really
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I agree. It seems that if we keep moving our tongue, we will retain more even if our pronunciation is not very good.
Using phrasebooks with pronunciation transcription seems useful. Other trick is to OCR the sentences and to use a TTS software to be sure about your pronunciation.
By the way, being an advanced learner, reduces mispronunciations.
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| aabram Pentaglot Senior Member Estonia Joined 5536 days ago 138 posts - 263 votes Speaks: Estonian*, English, Spanish, Russian, Finnish Studies: Mandarin, French
| Message 11 of 47 15 January 2011 at 8:48pm | IP Logged |
Splog wrote:
I am sure if the very same sentence pairs were available from a native
speaker, people (including Glossika) would be happy to use them. The problem, though,
is that most bilingual sentence lists are only available on paper - and it takes many
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Sure, same pairs are not available with audio, but there is no lack of audio for
Russian in general. Why not recite news clips or podcasts, for that matter? Take a
recording of morning news and recite all day long. Should give real enough vocabulary.
I'm not critisizing him for doing what he does, because obviously it works for him at
some level, just wondering why he chose that particular path that he did.
Splog wrote:
The argument that minor mistakes in pronunciation are impossible to
correct later is simply nonsense. |
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Who argued where?
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6678 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 12 of 47 15 January 2011 at 9:13pm | IP Logged |
aabram wrote:
Splog wrote:
I am sure if the very same sentence pairs were available from a native
speaker, people (including Glossika) would be happy to use them. The problem, though,
is that most bilingual sentence lists are only available on paper - and it takes many
hours to make audio for them. |
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Sure, same pairs are not available with audio, but there is no lack of audio for
Russian in general. Why not recite news clips or podcasts, for that matter? Take a
recording of morning news and recite all day long. Should give real enough vocabulary.
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He explains in the video that his approach to learning languages is very conversational. It makes sense he uses this kind of sentence method with huge phrasebooks (5,000 to 20,000 phrases)as main resource.
I think it is possible to use this approach with news transcriptions, sitcom scripts, books and so on. If we like literature, I think it's possible to use a paralell text and to read aloud L1 and L2 alternatively.
Edited by slucido on 15 January 2011 at 9:13pm
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6014 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 13 of 47 16 January 2011 at 12:52am | IP Logged |
Splog wrote:
The argument that minor
mistakes in pronunciation are impossible to correct later is simply nonsense. |
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That's a rather tautologous statement -- any pronunciation mistake that is impossible to correct later would fall into the category of a major mistake, if you ask me.
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| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5672 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin
| Message 14 of 47 16 January 2011 at 8:43am | IP Logged |
aabram wrote:
Sure, same pairs are not available with audio, but there is no lack of audio for
Russian in general. Why not recite news clips or podcasts, for that matter? Take a
recording of morning news and recite all day long. Should give real enough vocabulary.
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For the same reason many language courses exist, rather than just telling people to
listen and repeat radio shows. Lists of sentence pairs usually have a specific focus.
For example, sentences relating to business meetings ("If we now turn to the agenda
...", "We can bring this meeting to a close.", etc) and cram a lot of relevant
vocabulary and sentence structure into them. By creating several such lists, you then
cover several areas. In effect, it is like a giant audio phrase book.
The process is certainly very intensive (this stuff tends not to work as "background
listening"), and can certainly be followed up with lots of more extensive listening
(radio, TV, etc).
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6678 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 15 of 47 16 January 2011 at 10:11am | IP Logged |
It is interesting that Glossika speed up the audio every time he listens to it. I have been doing this with my L2 audios (sitcoms, radio, audiobooks) . I use Audacity. It is a way to make the most of my time. If I understand 100% an audio, I seed up it. It means same input in less time. It's a good idea.
Edited by slucido on 16 January 2011 at 10:12am
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| zerothinking Senior Member Australia Joined 6375 days ago 528 posts - 772 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 16 of 47 16 January 2011 at 12:28pm | IP Logged |
A good way to get exposure to thousands of sentences is to read books in the target
language. Quick, easy, cheap, and limitless.
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