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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6702 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 41 of 57 31 October 2011 at 1:03am | IP Logged |
Cainntear wrote:
I used to think I was rubbish at languages...
Ach entonces j'ai m'enseignato franglitaliàgnol. |
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I think that language is called Europanto.
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| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5177 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi
| Message 42 of 57 31 October 2011 at 5:39pm | IP Logged |
I think we should rate polyglots in a different way.
Not how many languages do you know?, but how many points do you have?
English c2 = 6 points
Spanish b1 = 3 poits
etc.
That would make much more sense.
Who is better poliglot?
a guy who knows Spanish at c2,
or a crazy guy who knows 500 lnguages on b2 level?
for me the second one.
I don't understand what's the fuss about this fluency, I would not claim fluency in any of my language, i would just use some more logical scale like "intermediate", avanced" or c2, c1 etc.
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 43 of 57 31 October 2011 at 5:44pm | IP Logged |
And how do we rate people who have the ability to learn a language to high level in a short period of time but who, for not having had the opportunity to live abroad or the leisure to study at his heart's content, has not had the chance to learn several languages or to maintain them?
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 44 of 57 31 October 2011 at 6:33pm | IP Logged |
I am a bit confused here. It sounds like we are making this into some competition, not something we do because we enjoy it or need it. I do not think I need to be rated. I feel good about the languages I know, and I am eager to learn more, but what use would I have for a rating?
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 45 of 57 31 October 2011 at 6:53pm | IP Logged |
Solfrid Cristin wrote:
I am a bit confused here. It sounds like we are making this into some competition, not something we do because we enjoy it or need it. I do not think I need to be rated. I feel good about the languages I know, and I am eager to learn more, but what use would I have for a rating? |
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Competing is a form of motivation for a lot of people, even if you are competing against yourself.
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| Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5692 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish
| Message 46 of 57 31 October 2011 at 11:46pm | IP Logged |
simonov wrote:
Cainntear wrote:
I used to think I was rubbish at languages...
Ach entonces j'ai m'enseignato franglitaliàgnol.
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I take it you meant: "But then I taught myself French, English, Italian, and Spanish."
1. German "Ach" does not mean "but"
2. Spanish "entonces" does mean "then", but, to my ears, sounds a little off in this context. Unless you actually meant something more in the line of "so I taught myself"
3. French "j'ai" would be all right if followed by "imparato", but pronominal verbs require "to be" in both French and Italian, and the pronoun must be inserted between the subject and the auxiliary. So it should not be "j'ai", but "je me suis".
4. a) 'enseignato' doesn't exist, 'enseigner" is French, Italian is 'insegnare'.
b) In French, Italian etc. you do not "teach yourself", you "learn".
I taught myself English/Italian. - J'ai appris l'anglais (tout seul). Ho imparato l'italiano (da solo).
I taught English - J'ai enseigné l'anglais. Ho insegnato l'inglese.
Your strange language concoction might look mildly amusing if you had used a tilde for Spanish 'español', not French 'espagnol'.
No, I'm afraid I did not think your post funny, interesting or useful. So, no vote!
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Agh, I hate having to explain humor, but here I can't resist. Obviously Cainntear knew exactly what he was doing when he wrote that. The whole *point* is that it's chock full of mistakes! He did that on purpose! It's supposed to be funny because it's poking gentle fun at the people who had just been discussed in the thread, people who study a language very briefly and then claim to "know" it. If Cainntear had written every part of his "Europanto" (thank you, Iversen) sentence correctly, it would have taken AWAY from the humor of it, and it would have made no sense at all!
(Cainntear, apologies if I interpreted your post wrong.)
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| portunhol Triglot Senior Member United States thelinguistblogger.w Joined 6251 days ago 198 posts - 299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: German, Arabic (classical)
| Message 47 of 57 01 November 2011 at 12:31am | IP Logged |
clumsy wrote:
I think we should rate polyglots in a different way.
Not how many languages do you know?, but how many points do you have?
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I think Clumsy is on to something here. There really are three relative factors that should be taken into consideration when rating a polyglot:
1. Number
2. Mastery
3. Difficulty
Think about it guys, these are the things we all end up arguing over. Why not assign a point value to all three and then see how different polyglots stack up? I feel a new thread in the making…
Access to language learning –like growing up in a multilingual society– is an arguable fourth factor but I don’t think it should be included. I’ve known too many people who have had the opportunity to be bilingual and haven’t taken advantage of it to believe that being born in India magically makes multilingualism easy. Conversely, the majority of the most admired polyglots on youtube come from monolingual societies.
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5765 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin
| Message 48 of 57 01 November 2011 at 12:33am | IP Logged |
Everyone should speak Europants. And not care about counting points or languages or comparing their ... yachts. (Mine's bigger than yours anyways.)
Edited by Bao on 01 November 2011 at 12:35am
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