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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5129 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes  Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 49 of 69 07 January 2012 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes, I suppose that could be considered inflammatory, but frankly it's no worse than referring to someone as an annoying fly, no longer worthy of being swatted away or using over-the-top language such as "saying my current objective has made them cry themselves to sleep and they have lost all hope in language learning". Benny, I happen to like your blog and think that it provides valuable information for a lot of people. There's a TON of travel blogs out there, but yours is the only one I'm aware of that focuses on language issues that a full-time traveller encounters. You focus on the social aspect and there's value in that. My only issue, and I think it's the main issue a lot of other people have, is that you're using a CEFR level as a basis for something that just isn't going to happen in three months. Instead of changing that level definition to fit your own goal, I think everyone just wants you to refer to the proper B1 level that you're really talking about. R. == 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6010 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 50 of 69 07 January 2012 at 11:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'm cynical about what you say. I have never questioned your individual achievements. I have never presumed to comment on your ability in any language. The thing is that there's a big difference between being able to do something, and being able to instruct someone else on it. To take a fairly extreme example, almost everyone on this board is able to walk, but which of us would be able to teach an adult to walk again after an accident? That's the job of an occupational therapist. What I see on your blog strikes me as superficial and only half the story. I started out trying to discuss things with you, to help you, me and your readers understand you better -- you were not interested. You fail to accept that there are important details below the surface -- you are only willing to discuss the superficial elements. But the superficial elements are self-evident, so there is nothing TO discuss. Who, then, is the wall?
That seems slightly hypocritical to me -- calling people "narrow minded" then criticising them for posting "confrontational comments" in the same breath.... 9 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6438 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 51 of 69 08 January 2012 at 2:02am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Cainntear, can you lay off it already? Please?
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| fstop Newbie Canada Joined 5039 days ago 17 posts - 20 votes Speaks: English Studies: Mandarin, French | Message 52 of 69 08 January 2012 at 6:50am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Instead of Benny interviewing a Chinese, maybe Glossika (Mike) can interview him in Mandarin after 3 months!
Hope he succeeds! Maybe his next mission is to learn Taiwanese! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tmp011007 Diglot Senior Member Congo Joined 6068 days ago 199 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: French, Portuguese | Message 53 of 69 08 January 2012 at 7:53am | IP Logged | ||||||||
sorry but this time Cainntear isn't the only one who thinks that way ("instead of changing that level definition to fit your own goal...").. but it's ok. after all, that "I'm not claiming anything. I'm aiming" is fair enough. so, let's see what happens after that "do you speak English?" "will he become fluent after three months? if at all, only by his own standards. so what?" 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 54 of 69 08 January 2012 at 9:49am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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How about giving Benny what is given to rapists, murderers and child molesters: The benefit of the doubt. Would I be able to learn Mandarin to C1 in 3 months? Certainly not. Do I think it is feasible? I have no idea. Let's find out, shall we? If he succeeds we will all have gained valuable information. If he fails, you can say "I told you so". So basically you are in a win-win situation, and can afford to take things down a notch.
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| silverpolyglot Diglot Groupie Canada silverchallanges.wor Joined 4913 days ago 42 posts - 72 votes Speaks: English*, Somali Studies: French, Swedish, Mandarin | Message 55 of 69 08 January 2012 at 10:06am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Good Luck to Benny, I hope you reach your goal in 3 months!!
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6010 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 56 of 69 08 January 2012 at 11:21am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Now you're making it difficult for me to apologise, by accusing me of "making up" stuff when I simply failed to remember properly. As it turns out (searching the forum archive), it wasn't that you claimed that you weren't a professional, it was that you claimed that Fi3M wasn't a professional brand. To me, there's really no difference between the two in practical terms. And for the record, I don't think Benny is a "compulsive liar", I just think he's kidding himself. A liar would be more open to debate (because a liar could make up more lies). People who're kidding themselves avoid questions, because finding out that they don't know the answers is a challenge to their whole viewpoint. I've tried asking questions to Benny, and all he's ever done is brush them aside. I've stopped trying.
Benny's blog's been going for years now. Why should we evaluate each "mission" seperately? We have adequate data already on which to draw conclusions. Edited by Cainntear on 08 January 2012 at 1:19pm 9 persons have voted this message useful |
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