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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 817 of 1511 19 August 2013 at 1:00pm | IP Logged | ||
That happens because your Germanic ears do not notice whether a consonant is voiced or voiceless. Their г is voiced, while [h] is a voiceless sound. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 818 of 1511 19 August 2013 at 1:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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Uhhh.... Dutch distinguishes between voiced and voiceless /x/. To me their /g/ sounds
less fricative than /x/, and more like an h than /x/. Edited by tarvos on 19 August 2013 at 1:37pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 819 of 1511 19 August 2013 at 2:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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There are two variants of g there. In Southern Russia they pronounce it mostly as a
voiced [x], but in Ukraine in some parts of Russia they pronounce it as a voiced [h]. This however depends on the position of the g. Russians do not hear the difference between [h] and [x] but they can always hear the difference between voiced and voiceless consonants. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 820 of 1511 19 August 2013 at 2:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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Our h is voiced too (Dutch h) Edited by tarvos on 19 August 2013 at 2:28pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 821 of 1511 19 August 2013 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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I see. But I used the h sympol because in IPA it is used for the voiceless sound.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 822 of 1511 19 August 2013 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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that's an allophone of the voiced sound in Dutch
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 823 of 1511 19 August 2013 at 6:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am putting this log on hold for some days temporarily while I sort out urgent thesis
life shit which are taking its toll on me right now. Languages can wait. If I find a pocket of free time I will continue to upload parts of the travelogue, but the coming two weeks will be a part of my continuous low activity. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 824 of 1511 21 August 2013 at 8:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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La catastrophe a été avertie... pour l'instant. Il me reste qu'y attendre... ça fait pas
peur :) si tout va bien, on me donnera mon diplôme bientôt et je serai MSc :) On attend avec impatience les résultats finaux... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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