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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 1081 of 1511 24 January 2014 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yeah, for me they sound almost the same somehow. I theoretically can differentiate
between the two, but somehow in Korean, both sounds register as 어 I think this is where it shows that I am Dutch, not an American - an anglophone can register the different sounds easily (so can I, but I rarely pronounce the -어 as in American English) - because for me, there's only one o sound in my native language, so variants kind of merge into o for me. I can hear the difference when you say them, especially in American contexts, but it's much harder in Korean, where I muddle everything up. Edited by tarvos on 24 January 2014 at 9:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 1082 of 1511 24 January 2014 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
Don't hurry. Read slower, it will be easier for you to pronounce and for others - to listen. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4866 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 1083 of 1511 24 January 2014 at 9:57pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hmm... I didn't think the 오 - 어 differentiation was a problem in your recording. We have the same two sounds in German 오: Sohn, 어: Sonne). I noticed that you used "n" instead of "ng" twice; in 영어 and 정말. Watch out for that. I also thought you pronounced some of the beginning consonants a bit too hard (making ㄱ sound like ㅋ and ㅈ like ㅊ) but that's a finer point... A KOrean might still have some trouble understanding you, but I think as soon as your sentence melody gets better (which I'm sure it will when you're a little more fluent) your pronunciation will sound a lot more natural. I've heard far more problematic accents ;)
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 1084 of 1511 24 January 2014 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Those letters are k and ch to me... the variants are aspirated. I would only pronounce
them as g and English j intervocalically. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Evita Tetraglot Senior Member Latvia learnlatvian.info Joined 6550 days ago 734 posts - 1036 votes Speaks: Latvian*, English, German, Russian Studies: Korean, Finnish | Message 1085 of 1511 24 January 2014 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
I remember doing an experiment when I had just started to learn Korean with TTMIK. They had a lesson about 하다 verbs in level 1 and some time after doing the lesson I went back to it and tried to write the verbs down just from listening to the lesson. The result was that I misspelled 오 as 우 several times, I couldn't recognize the 오 sound properly. It took me many hours of listening to fix that and I'm sure you'll get there too. With speaking as well. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 1086 of 1511 24 January 2014 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
This might just be the first time you give me a piece of useful advice. However, this is something I know I'm terrible at - I get this advice from every single teacher, and I just can't resist working in overdrive - I literally have to be slowed down. So I hope you'll pardon me if I screw up in this sense. @Evita: yup, I noticed o sometimes sounds like u for me as well... found it a bit Swedish-like in the quality. My Korean is still in its beginner shoes though - though I listened to some Steve Kaufmann snippets today and it wasn't as hard as I thought it would be to understand the Korean responses. But still hard. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4866 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 1087 of 1511 25 January 2014 at 12:07am | IP Logged | |||||
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Koreans actually do sometimes pronounce 오 with an 우 sound, at least in Seoul dialect (which is more or less the standard anyway). E.g. 어제는 영어를 공부했고요 (pronounced as 공부했구요).
I guess those letters at the beginnings of your words just sounded a bit too aspirated to me. It might well be the recording. It's a fine line, anyway. A Korean friend told me that he wondered why foreigners tend to aspirate ㄱ at the beginning of words. I didn't even hear much of a difference in what he was observing :) But it seems that the intervocalic/word beginning distinction advice found in learning materials is not entirely correct. Edited by druckfehler on 25 January 2014 at 12:09am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 1088 of 1511 25 January 2014 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I actually read somewhere that the length of aspiration is what really differs (aka that
ㄱ is less aspirated than a regular k, i.e. the aspiration is held in for less time, and then for ㅋ it's more than English aspirated k) . (It's the same in Chinese afaik). However, the distinction is definitely not one of VOICING, which is why Revised Romanization makes me want to hit people with sticks. McCune-Reischauer is much better. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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