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| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5228 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 209 of 1511 12 July 2012 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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That's an absurd debate. If you're so certain how something works, say how it does, so those certainly-it-doesn't types can explain why, or alternatively how it does instead. It obviously works for both sides. Edited by mrwarper on 12 July 2012 at 5:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4709 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 210 of 1511 12 July 2012 at 9:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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I never said anything to the contrary. It can work for him all he likes, but this is my
thread and my opinions and he can either discuss them without the one-line responses or he's allowed to not post in my thread. (My reasons were explained in that post he quoted). I ain't got nothing to respond to. Plus, if he wants to give the impressions that things are DIFFICULT and HARD and you must LABOUR FOR HOURS in a concentration camp to understand them, that's his problem - my attitude is that everything can be solved given enough time. And since plenty of people have learned foreign languages to fluency, including me, I don't have any reason to doubt I can't, and I don't have much more inclination to believe it's so impossible for everybody else, either. Et maintenant, on va retourner sur le sujet qui concerne ce log ici; l'apprentissage des langues étrangères. J'ai reçu mes notes au examen B1.1 que j'ai passé le mardi 3ème juillet. Ça a marché mieux que j'ai espéré; j'ai bel et bien réussi, avec un note de 17,6 sur 20!!!! La note est compris selon les categories ci-dessous: Compréhension orale: 19,5/25 Compréhension écrit: 22/25 Production écrit: 23/25 Production orale: 23,5/25 Ça fait: 17.6/20 pour note moyenne. Pas mal, hein? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5058 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 211 of 1511 12 July 2012 at 9:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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Russian word formation, especially verbal prefixes, has very little logic. One and the
same prefix can have many meanings, even attached to the one and the same verb: прослушать курс лекций, прослушать то, что только что сказали. Забить гвоздь - забить камнями и т. д. Generally, the meaning cannot be predicted from the word's morphemes. Changes of morphemes are often morphological, not phonological: рука - ручной, а не рукной. Russian is not very difficult, it can be studied to a high level, but it's not that easy either. Edited by Марк on 12 July 2012 at 10:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4709 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 212 of 1511 12 July 2012 at 9:23pm | IP Logged | ||
All right, I'll go cry in a corner because mean old Mark judged my Russian to be IMPERFECT (aspect). Seriously? What the hell is your goal? If you want to be irritating and drain people's confidence by pointing out mistakes incessantly (which I did not ask you to do, by the way - you should be happy I let you and don't flip you off for doing for giving me unsolicited advice I don't actually want or need). I am perfectly aware my Russian is flawed, thank you very much. That won't stop me from being confident of my success. If it's your goal to discourage people from learning Russian, you're doing a good job. Learning Russian isn't all about knowing "the facts". Success is about your attitude, and if I decline a noun improperly or use a wrong word; shit happens. I'll ask someone to correct me if I am really nitpicky about the details. If you want to help someone speak Russian, here's an idea for you: try politely pointing out people's mistakes next time and correct them, so that I actually understand the mistake, instead of taking a red pen and saying "BUT UR WRONG LOL U MAKE MISTAKES IT CANNOT BE EASY IF YOU MAKE MISTAKES". I made mistakes in my French exam too, does that mean I should think the exam was hard? No, I found it easy, despite me making mistakes. Why? Because a minute grammar mistake or a wrong tense conjugation isn't the end of the world. If it's egregious, people tell you and you laugh about it and you move on. If it's not, it's not, and you move on anyway. Is that so hard to get? 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5058 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 213 of 1511 12 July 2012 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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You gave your arguments why Russian is so logical and easy. I explained why I think some
of them were not correct. Russian is just a language, which is not harder or easier than other languages. Edited by Марк on 12 July 2012 at 10:10pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4709 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 214 of 1511 12 July 2012 at 9:38pm | IP Logged | ||
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That's correct, but all of them are logical and easy. Also, that's not what you said,
furthermore, no one cares about the details. Edited by tarvos on 12 July 2012 at 9:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5058 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 215 of 1511 12 July 2012 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | ||
Хорошо бы сделал There must be a subject. Было бы хорошо, если я бы концентрировался на учёбе русского языка. если бы я сконцентрировался (a perfective verb is needed here, better to say сосредоточиться). "на учебе русского языка" means that the Russian language learns something, на изучении русского языка or на русском языке. Однако, я сделал к 77ому уроку в Ассимиле. Однако is a conjunction, like "but", so no comma. сделать, as most perfective transitive verbs, has the strong government, so a direct object is needed. я сделал всё not к, but до семьдесят седьмого урока в Ассимиле. Edited by Марк on 12 July 2012 at 9:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5058 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 216 of 1511 12 July 2012 at 10:02pm | IP Logged | ||
What did I say? I care about the detailes. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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