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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 281 of 1511 10 October 2012 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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Я хотел сказать прошлой, это была ошибка Edited by tarvos on 10 October 2012 at 5:21pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 282 of 1511 12 October 2012 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Not much news to report, but, some things I have been doing over the past few days:
FR: Hier j'ai fait mon premier exposé entièrement en français, ce qui m'a plu beaucoup parce que je n'ai préparé que des phrases clés. Mon prof m'a attendu aux quelques petits fautes, mais rien de sérieux. En plus j'ai fait ma lecture régulière, ça veut dire que je continue de lire dans l'édition la plus récente de Science et Vie. Un article a décrit l'état de la glace Arctique à Groenland - l'été dernière, 97% de la surface de Groenland était partiellement dégelée! Ce sont des chiffres jamais vu, et je crois que le réchauffement de la Terre se bouleverse dramatiquement à l'instant, mais quoi faire? SV: Jag har också studerat svenska verb, speciellt de oregelbundna verb. 13e lektionen omfattar bara en text med en dialog inuti. Men den viktigasta sak är nu för mig att lära de oregelbunda konjugationerna, för det finns mönster i språket och de är ibland liknande som holländska, så jag kan verkligen få att lära mig denna nya formerna snart. Jag har också gjort en ordlista för att minnas ordens betydelser, men det fanns igår den första gången som jag har haft problemer med att minnas några ord. Ingen ursak - de ord var inte vanliga så jag kan få att inte minnas dem så här. Dessutom är det naturligtvis inte nodvändig att direkt komma ihåg alla nya ord som man här lärt sig. Jag kan prova igen imorgon och efter det hoppas jag att jag kan konjugera de mesta verb flyttande. (De andra grammatiska ämnen är tycka, tänka, tro, och så där och dit. Men de var lätta att lära sig så jag slipper att öva det en gång till). Edited by tarvos on 12 October 2012 at 4:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 283 of 1511 14 October 2012 at 12:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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This is taken from the "what is the easiest language to learn thread", but it's a good
post in terms that it explains my (language) learning philosophy in detail in a nice and concise manner. I think you can approach pretty much every subject in a similar sort of way, but you'll have to adapt to context of course. I work through my languages in steps. Step 1: communicating the basic needs (this means knowing the essential phrases and basics), this is usually done in a few months. Mastering a pronunciation that is by and large understandable is also part of this stage. This is where I want to communicate everything I am going to directly *NEED*, in terms of raw basic information. Note that this doesn't have to be theoretically validated. If I speak to, say, a Russian, and they understand what I want, even though my sh's aren't perfectly palatalised or anything, it's ok at this stage. I am doing my best to mimick Russians here and I will try my best but if I fail 100x before I get it right that's perfectly okay. To make an analogy with a house: this is where I lay the foundation. Step 2: create the ability to speak well in terms of the big picture. It doesn't have to be 100% correct at this stage, but I should be able to make myself understood in all fields, even if I have to resort to circumlocutions. If I make a case mistake or stumble a bit over word order or misuse a particle or verb tense here and there these are the types of issues that don't bother me. Perfection is a paralytic at this stage - I want to be able to write long sentences, take position, use conjunctions. Once this step is achieved I will call myself "fluent" because I will be automatically able to produce rapid speech and written texts, and understand most of what is said back to me. This is where I build the actual house until it stands on its own. It will not be decorated, finished, painted, etc, but it will be a house and you could potentially move in there. Step 3: This is where I perform the cleanup routine. This is where I start to weed out the little things that have gone unchecked - use of prepositions in phrases I don't know, necessary idiomatics I do not have, the subtleties of word order, grammar, verb conjugation. This is where I decorate the language and make it a real house. This is where I move into the house and make it my own. My Russian is still in step 2. My French is at the crossing between 2 and 3, and I have never really done this consciously before, because my German is also definitely at step 2 and I learned English a long time ago, and did most of that internalising unconsciously because the general skills necessary for step 3 (essay writing, presenting, etc.) still had to be learned. I used English to learn how to paint the house, not to do the actual thing later. It wasn't the same as building my own house. Look at it as the language engineering mentality. Theory is a tool, it's not a substitute. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 284 of 1511 14 October 2012 at 2:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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So, you don't want to be corrected and I shouldn't do that?
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 285 of 1511 14 October 2012 at 4:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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Much like Iversen, I would prefer it if you pointed out structural deficiencies instead
of small mistakes. I need to know what is structurally wrong with my Russian at this point. And if you do, give an explanation. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 286 of 1511 15 October 2012 at 3:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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РУ: Сегодня я поехал в русский магазин в Гааге. Там был многих русских
продуктов, книги, товары, журналы, всё. Бладелец магазина - русский, и там ещё украинец работает. Я и решил говорить по-русски с ними, а мне неплохо получилось. Владелец магазина тоже покупателям сказал что у них сейчас очень талантный голландец... я надеюсь, что он шутил. Но у меня на слух ещё много проблем, но могу сообщаться. Это важнее всего. Они мне сделал кофе, и дали мне адрес русской дискотеки, чтобы найти русскую подругушку. Мне сказали, что я должен заходить опять! Там я купил пельмени, чтобы попробовать их. Я не купил книгу, но я заказывал тамань онлайн раньше. Но я больше всего рад, что я разговаривал на русском и понял просентов 50. FR: J'ai aussi lu dans Science et Vie qu'il sera bientôt possible de créer des prévisions météo pour une décennie, au lieu de juste les jours prochaines ou des prévisions pour 2100. Les technologies ont évolué très rapidement dans ce champ de sciences, donc on espère d'être capable de donner des prévisions plus exactes dans l'avenir proche. Ils doivent intégrer les variations naturelles de la température dans leur logiciels, mais bientôt il sera possible de combler le vide entre les prévisions court à court terme et les projections climatiques. En plus j'ai lu qu'il n'y a pas de méthodes pour décider quelques espèces menacés doivent être sauvés, et que les scientifiques ne veulent pas aborder le sujet parce que la discussion serait trop polémique. SV: Till slut har jag gjort 13e lektionen av FSI. Den andra gången fanns jag det lättare att göra övningarna i boken. Nu vill jag inte säga att jag kan använda supinum i andra verbkonjugationer verkligen exakt, men jag tror att jag kommer att tala om saker mer precis och mer flytande än tidigare. Jag ska börja med 14e lektionen kanske idag, men troligen imorgon. Edited by tarvos on 16 October 2012 at 2:37pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5332 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 287 of 1511 15 October 2012 at 3:56pm | IP Logged | ||
Hva i Herrens navn er supinum? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4713 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 288 of 1511 15 October 2012 at 3:59pm | IP Logged | ||
Круто! Поздравляю тебя, @tarvos! =) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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