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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 49 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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The 7 Consonant Rule. Also remember that after к г х (velars) and ш ж щ ч (hushes) never write ы but always и, e.g. студенты "students" but студентки "coeds", лифтёры "elevator operators" but лифтёрши "women elevator operators".
After ш,ж write и instead of ы. After others write what you hear. Edited by Марк on 09 February 2012 at 3:10pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 50 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 2:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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There are no any spelling rules about the velars.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 51 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 3:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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Ah, thanks. I get what you mean now.
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 52 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 3:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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Also never write я, ю after ч, щ, although these consonants are always soft.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 53 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 3:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yah, the reference grammar states that too.
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| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4716 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 54 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 3:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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I learned the same way as Tarvos, with the 7 consonant rule. That's why книга -> книги (and not книгы), the same with девушка -> девушки (and not девушкы).
At least it makes sense for me this way. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 55 of 1511 09 February 2012 at 5:48pm | IP Logged | ||
And for me it doesn't make any sense. Because the situation with these letters is totally different and cannot be mixed. Saying write и instead of ы assumes that Russian is a dead language. Книги is spelt not because of spelling rules but because it is pronounced like that. They are pronounced like that because of the rules of grammar. While ж, ш obey the general rules of grammar and remain hard. Крыша - /крышы/ which is spelt according SPELLING rules as крыши. So, if we spell everything phonetically (according to general rules of Russian graphics), it will be like that: крыша - крышы Hard remains hard тучя - тучи Soft remains soft книга - книги Hard becomes soft In the first two examples grammar rules are preserved but they are covered by akward spelling rules which are applied to hushers. In the last example, on the opposite, the spelling is regular but the grammar (actual Russian language) is weird, special. Edited by Марк on 10 February 2012 at 9:56am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 56 of 1511 10 February 2012 at 11:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm liking this new study regimen which is falling into place. Every day I spend some time with Anki, just going through vocabulary. Every time I do a new lesson in either TY or Colloquial - I add the missing words from the vocab list (often it's not that many anymore - some come up in class and some words are holdovers from the other book - I am two lessons behind TY in Colloquial and it's really good).
Vocabulary does not seem to be an issue - just as an I reviewed about 300 or so cards (the amount of words is divided by 2, as I have a card for both RU-EN and EN-RU translations) and even with that insane amount of cards I don't get more than 5 or so wrong. Maybe 6, if I count myself mispronouncing a letter or forgetting a letter (I am really harsh with this - if I miss out on a letter or entirely f**k up the stress, I file it as wrong, even though I did remember the word correctly I also want to remember the spelling correctly). This means that I am already starting to amass a vocabulary of about a word or 300 or so - this is also because I don't count obvious words and don't put those into Anki (park, or bar, for example, I don't bother with). Grammar is going fine. Regular present tense verbs don't present much of a problem - the trick is remembering the idiosyncratic irregularities for some verbs, but I am getting them down quite nicely too. Colloquial gives you PLENTY practice with verb forms and adjective agreements and such - I am using the (old, 1993) version just as grammar reinforcement. TY explains the material to me, serves to get me acquainted with the new material - but once I do Colloquial I feel like grammar is more easily reinforced, which is great. The classes are helpful with pronunciation but they are still quite slow - they worked very well for my verb reinforcement though. I like the social aspect. So in short vocabulary: comes from everywhere, tested with Anki grammar: TY serves to introduce topics and obtain a feel for the rules - Colloquial gives me practice with grammar pronunciation/listening: mostly the Ruslan dialogues as I hate the no-tempo TY ones, reading: TY and Colloquial are very good for this writing: not something I do a lot - will tackle this last. I do have to write a letter for class though! Speaking: in class. Et maintenant, j'espère que je vais améliorer mon francais avec assez de verve, comme j'ai amélioré ma russe. Und, eben so wichtig, auch mein Deutsch, aber das rede ich noch einmal pro Tag oder so. Deutsch muss ich unterhalten, und auch mein Wörterschatz ziemlich vergrössern. Es gibt deutlich noch einige Fehler mit meiner Grammatika, aber ich weiss dass das übergeblieben ist von mein leider schlechte Arbeit in der Schule. Naja, gibt's so was...ich kann noch besser reden wie ich denke, aber nicht besser schreiben, wie ich denke... Übung macht den Meister, sagt man auf Deutsch, und Übung wird's geben - aber Russisch hat Priorität. Jetzt. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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