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| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4867 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes  Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 169 of 766 11 May 2014 at 11:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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On the topic of whether movies are less effective:
I learned English largely by reading lots while studying with textbooks and worrying about speech later. I learned Korean largely by watching lots of TV while studying with textbooks. There are pros and cons to both approaches. It was difficult and really uncomfortable to get my listening skills in English up to speed. I vaguely knew lots of vocabulary and had a good understanding of grammar, but not so much of spontaneous speech. My experiences with Korean have been very different. From TV I had a good pronunciation and listening skills. I found that my intuitive understanding of the language was a lot better than that of my classmates. Being familiar with conversational Korean took away a lot of language anxiety, especially regarding active usage. It helped me a lot more with understanding the culture and how to act and speak appropriately than reading could ever have. Nowadays my skills for reading and listening are leveling. Reading was a hard nut to crack, harder than with English, and I was glad to have had lots of exposure to other native materials before I attempted it. There's been a lot of synergy between reading and listening skills. First listening helped with reading accurately and now reading helps me improve my listening skills. I think both are important - they help with different things. Neglecting one in favor of the other will lead to problems with your weaker skill later on. Those problems can always be removed with more exposure, but it might be unpleasant and you might feel like you should be able to understand more. Of course, it depends on how you use your resources and how much you actually pay attention to them. Their effectiveness also depends on whether you picked them wisely. I doubt watching lots of Korean movies with mumbling characters would have been as effective as watching fairly predictable TV dramas, for example. A book that is very difficult for you and uses literary, possibly archaic language will not be as beneficial for gaining B1 or B2 skills as easier materials covering everyday language. 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5475 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 170 of 766 12 May 2014 at 12:07am | IP Logged | ||
I just want to say I understand :) If one is empathetic enough they can understand both sides of an argument, ahem, i mean discussion. And I just happen to be amazingly gifted with that amazing gift. So peoples, if you ever need some insight please come to me, i'm pretty awesome.... Just to be clear i'm having fun, not having a go at any one. I'm happy, you're happy, the birds are singing. I totally agree, let's get on with studying, and Solfrid Cristin. Thanks so much for this challenge. Truly. Getting on with the study, actually sounds like a good idea :) 'nuff said, except... check it... I'm an MC straight up in da HTLAL I'm gonna like study so much you'll be like "far out man, I can't compete with that, what the hell?!" That dude PM is comin up in da place, he like so cool Word, I represent for all, all meaning all of me, foolz You read a book a day I read a book a second You watch a film a day I watch a film a year and you'll be bettin' Bettin' you're about to defeat me in the number of films hey? and i'll be like i was just restin' and then i'll watch 727 films in a day Don't even get in my way, in fact try, you know why? I won't even notice, like you some kind of miniature, minute fly This be MC Esprit aka PeterMollenburg I'm on top of the leaderboard meaning near the top kind of, not exactly care to disagree dont be comin at me This is the best language ever used So don't even distract me Gimme my medals and trophies up in this SC I'm like, doing too much winning like, that's just me Can't help my gifts, know what i'm sayin? Like for realz, I'm out peoples, best give up, you know the deal 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 171 of 766 12 May 2014 at 12:12am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks, Peter, I sorely needed that laugh right now :-)
I'll say as one of the characters in a Swedish children's show used to say when they tuned out for the night: Simma lugnt :-) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 172 of 766 12 May 2014 at 12:44am | IP Logged | ||
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Cristina, can you just please clarify why you've changed your mind compared to the posts I linked to?
Few people succeeded even in one language, but the rules were also different. Apart from the official finishers, I've counted 24 (!) challenges where the reading part amounts to what the current half-challenge is. I'm even inclined to think that some of these people could've achieved more if they were doing more languages (just look at kujichagulia). You've said it yourself that two half-challenges are as impressive as one full challenge. In practice I don't think it's true. The bot makes things official, just like Conchita's victory makes things official. As for starting my own challenge, I've written a bit about that here. If anyone is interested, for now let's discuss it in my log. Or start a thread if you have a specific idea. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kerrie Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Kerrie2 Joined 5394 days ago 1232 posts - 1740 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 173 of 766 12 May 2014 at 12:51am | IP Logged | ||
Yea, but the problem with this is that it might take me three weeks to read a book, and I will only log it when I'm finished. Or it might take me a month to go through a season of Buffy, but I will probably wait and log it all at once. So even though I'm being consistent, it's not going to show with something like that. Anyways, I think (from what Cristina said) things are going to mostly stand the way they are. We will have weekly streak badges next to our names/languages. I just wanted to throw my two cents in. :D 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5165 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 174 of 766 12 May 2014 at 1:11am | IP Logged | ||
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Serpent, as a football fan, being familiar with the fact national leagues are mostly
round-robyn systems instead of playoffs, you should know already that it's useless to state at any time too soon that if the championship ended today team Y would be the champion and this or that team would be relegated to the 2nd division =D 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5208 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 175 of 766 12 May 2014 at 1:18am | IP Logged | ||
You da man, PeterMollenburg! And for even more awesomeness, can you translate that into French as your own little personal mid-May Challenge? <smile> Edited by songlines on 12 May 2014 at 1:18am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 176 of 766 12 May 2014 at 1:31am | IP Logged | ||
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@Expugnator, I think that's more similar to a player coming to a new team. The first season is rough, but he (or she, for that matter) has a good pre-season and in the new season he finally knows what he's doing. But the coach leaves early in the season and when the new one arrives, suddenly the player feels like his whole career is in ruins...
It's not that I want to log all my learning, it's just that I don't want to feel discouraged from doing English, Finnish and Spanish like I was during the previous challenge. And I'm aiming for half-challenges in almost all my languages. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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