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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 49 of 87 22 March 2015 at 4:03am | IP Logged | ||
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Spuiten en Slikken? I don't watch that trash, but people like BNN programs, that's for
sure... We had a Dutch version of "Whose Line is it Anyway" that got reaaaallly popular here called "de Lama's" (the Llamas) some years ago, which was a comedy series, and it was notorious for its scathing, sexually oriented humour. Dutch humour can be very crude and it's almost expected (people find this incredibly humorous). The programme even became a touring stand-up comedy show that sold out theaters all over the country. One of the most memorable scenes was the one (they put this one on DVD's for sale all around the country) where the actors were asked to imitate Princess Maxima committing adultery. Another famous scene was where they asked the comedians to act out the scenes that were cut out of "Deep Throat" because the Christian conservative parties didn't want to show the porn movie live on national television (but everyone else didn't care). They overindulged in these scenes, mimicking the queen as if she was a porn movie actress. For the record, that's hilarious. You should keep in mind that sexual topics and nudity are not at all taboos in Dutch society. They are not prudes on television. I think the prevailing mentality is that sexual escapades are going to happen, same with drugs, so we must discuss them openly and educate people on the results. Sex ed promoting abstinence is practically unheard of unless you go to some Bible Belt village (they exist). Everyone else will think you're screwed in the head. Edited by tarvos on 22 March 2015 at 4:08am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4142 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 50 of 87 22 March 2015 at 4:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well, my log seems to have taken an interesting turn... Who knew that a log about Tagalog and Spanish could inspire
people to learn Dutch? Edited by Stelle on 22 March 2015 at 4:12pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5007 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 51 of 87 22 March 2015 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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No worries, even with such interesting content avaioable, Dutch is pretty low on the list of languages I'd
seriously consider learning. So, no wondelust temptation coming from there ;-) at least for the next few years 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4288 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 52 of 87 24 March 2015 at 4:40am | IP Logged | ||
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I do not want to clog the log with too many of Dutch television stuff, so I shall put
that stuff on my own log. I just saw a programme with something seriously bizarre and unthinkable, but that is for later. I just started watching El internado, and it is a 7-season long drama. It is definitely not silly like Caso Cerrado, and is quite serious almost all of the time (not very much stuff that is funny). Also, it has Mauri from Aquí no hay quien viva that is one of the main actors, so you see a familiar face here. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4142 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 53 of 87 29 March 2015 at 12:48am | IP Logged | ||
I started watching El Internado a few months ago, and it really is a compelling show. I love Luis Merlo. And the little girls who play Paula and Evelyn are so cute (and provide some much-needed comic relief)! The show keeps getting more and more mysterious - I'm dying to know what happens next! Hope you love it as much as I do. Edited by Stelle on 29 March 2015 at 12:49am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4142 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 54 of 87 29 March 2015 at 12:50am | IP Logged | ||
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My language update for this week is pretty sparse: I basically just watched TV.
This week I watched seven episodes of season three of El Internado. Considering that each episode is about 80 minutes long, that's actually quite a lot of Spanish! I am seriously addicted to this show. If I didn't have other people living with me, I think I'd watch it non-stop until I finished. I'm getting much better at ignoring the English subtitles - an impressive feat, seeing as how I read all subtitles, even when watching an English show with English subtitles. Other than that, the only language study that I did was an hour-long Skype session with a tutor this morning, along with about 20 minutes before the session preparing an article. The article was interesting, about stem cell research (not something that I know much about). My tutor had me summarize the article orally, and then I answered some questions and had to defend my opinion. Honestly, I'm not sure that I'm going to be ready to sit a C1 test. While I can speak pretty fluently, I think that I often lack in clarity and precision. In the end, I may or may not actually take the test, but preparing for it will definitely help me improve my Spanish, which is my goal. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 55 of 87 29 March 2015 at 3:44am | IP Logged | ||
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About the C1 test - I had the same problem when I was improving my French. You never
feel ready for such things. I always had the same feeling too - I was lacking precision and elegance and the subtle ideas and nuances to exactly express my thoughts in French, even though structurally and accent-wise my French is pretty good. The only thing I can say here is that you need to continue trucking on and that you need to push yourself to be very critical and harsh on your mistakes. I still have not found an adequate way to improve at the advanced levels - I find this the hardest thing, and this is why I am only above C1 or so in one language apart from my native tongue and that is English (a language I've spoken all my life). I have a question, though: how often do you take notes during your classes, and how do you organize them? I have the feeling that at this higher level, note-taking has to be a very important skill, not because you have to memorize batches of vocabulary lists, but because you need to review particular structures that crop up in more formal speech, or because you need to remember which preposition is used with which complex structure, or which linking words imply which nuances. One of the most useful exercises I have ever done concerning French was listing all the possible ways you can express cause, and then all the possible ways you can express consequence. When you think about it that is a lot of synonyms you can use. If you make notes about these small things, you may not forget them when you have to use them in writing or speech. Another exercise I once had to do when learning French was receiving a list of prepositions (including archaic and obscure ones and absurd combinations) and develop a really silly story based on them (I think mine was something like a battle tournament interrupted by a swarm of bees). This really forces you to think not only about what the prepositions themselves mean, but also how you arrange them in paragraphs to great effect. The free topic allows you to be creative with the prepositions - my story was absurd and almost a dadaist composition! 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4142 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 56 of 87 01 April 2015 at 12:06am | IP Logged | ||
This is a very interesting question - and one that I'm going to have to think long and hard about. My note-taking is dismal. I take notes, but don't organize them well and rarely review them. You've given me food for thought, and I'm seriously going to consider how I can up my game here. I appreciate you sharing all of your experiences with French. I know that if I want to sit the C1 test, it would serve me well to do some more "school-like" exercises, like the ones that you described. And prepositions are a beast! My French is constantly interfering with Spanish, and I keep mixing up my "a"s and "de"s. Edited by Stelle on 01 April 2015 at 12:08am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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