Gusutafu Senior Member Sweden Joined 5521 days ago 655 posts - 1039 votes Speaks: Swedish*
| Message 17 of 29 25 January 2010 at 11:23am | IP Logged |
Captain Haddock wrote:
That's where Japanese got its name for Jesus. (iesu) |
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That will actually depend on who you ask. The Orthodox in Japan write the name as イイスス・ハリストス, whereas the Catholics and Protestants do say イエス・キリスト.
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Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6768 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek
| Message 18 of 29 25 January 2010 at 1:40pm | IP Logged |
Gusutafu wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
That's where Japanese got its name for Jesus. (iesu) |
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That will actually depend on who you ask. The Orthodox in Japan write the name as イイスス・ハリストス, whereas
the Catholics and Protestants do say イエス・キリスト.
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Well, イエス is dominant enough to be the standard version of the name. Orthodox Christians must be a minority of
a minority, if that—I didn't even know they existed here.
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numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6783 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin
| Message 19 of 29 25 January 2010 at 2:06pm | IP Logged |
This is a fun topic, because I've always extracted a vain satisfaction from using plurals correctly and I continue to do so. :D
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elvisrules Tetraglot Senior Member BelgiumRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5469 days ago 286 posts - 390 votes Speaks: French, English*, Dutch, Flemish Studies: Lowland Scots, Japanese, German
| Message 20 of 29 25 January 2010 at 2:40pm | IP Logged |
Some funny ones are:
hippopotamus
plural: hippopotamuses, or hippomotami
octopus
plural: octopuses, octopi, or 'octopodes'
From what I've read, 'octopodes' would be the correct etymological plural form, except it's always non-existant in English. 'optopi' which is etymologically incorrect, is widely used, though the most common form is 'octopusus'. (though if you use the word you're likely to be corrected by a pedant if one's around)
medium/media
datum/data
criterion/criteria
bacterion/bacteria
-> None of the singular forms of these words are used much at all. I personally use the last two though.
It's a pity irregular plurals aren't more widely used in English, I really like them :(.
Let's all start using 'musea', 'fora', etc! (I already do often due to Dutch slipping into my Engish)
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Gusutafu Senior Member Sweden Joined 5521 days ago 655 posts - 1039 votes Speaks: Swedish*
| Message 21 of 29 25 January 2010 at 4:17pm | IP Logged |
elvisrules wrote:
medium/media
datum/data
criterion/criteria
bacterion/bacteria
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Surely 'medium' is a very common word? By the way, 'media' seems to have become a singular word in Swedish, which confuses many people.
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Siberiano Tetraglot Senior Member Russian Federation one-giant-leap.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6493 days ago 465 posts - 696 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, ItalianC1, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Serbian
| Message 22 of 29 26 January 2010 at 11:25am | IP Logged |
I'm curious, in which languages it is possible to use foreign plural forms. I guess, in an inflectional language, where endings matter a lot, using a different termination breaks the rules, and the word just makes no sense.
Edited by Siberiano on 26 January 2010 at 11:26am
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Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6768 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek
| Message 23 of 29 26 January 2010 at 11:32am | IP Logged |
Gusutafu wrote:
elvisrules wrote:
medium/media
datum/data
criterion/criteria
bacterion/bacteria
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Surely 'medium' is a very common word? By the way, 'media' seems to have become a singular word in Swedish,
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'Criterion' is reasonably common as well. Even datum gets used when you want to specify a minimal quantity of
data.
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Gusutafu Senior Member Sweden Joined 5521 days ago 655 posts - 1039 votes Speaks: Swedish*
| Message 24 of 29 26 January 2010 at 11:36am | IP Logged |
Siberiano wrote:
I'm curious, in which languages it is possible to use foreign plural forms. I guess, in an inflectional language, where endings matter a lot, using a different termination breaks the rules, and the word just makes no sense. |
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Yes, that is probably true. There are some interesting exceptions in Russian, though. Christ is Христос in the nominative, but the declination endings are added to the stem, so that genetive becomes Христа rather than *Христоса. The philosopher Lev Shestoff uses a lot of foreign words in his texts, without transcription, so he writes things like: если говорить о λόγος'е. Actually, I don't remember if he uses the word ending form of s or not.
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