tmesis Senior Member Mayotte Joined 6652 days ago 154 posts - 146 votes Speaks: English*
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awake Senior Member United States Joined 6640 days ago 406 posts - 438 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish
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Esperanto is an Agglutinative Language, and it is VERY rich in its use of
adverbs. Certainly one can express oneself clearly in esperanto without
resorting to a lot of adverbs, beginners don't often use them that much and
do fine. But the way adverbs work in Esperanto allows you to express fine
shades of meaning very elegantly. More advanced speakers tend to use
them a lot more in my experience. So maybe that rises out of the
agglutinative structures, or perhaps something else. It's an interesting
question. I'll be curious to see if anyone else has thoughts on your
question.
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kinoko Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 6640 days ago 103 posts - 109 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, Japanese, Spanish Studies: German
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Esperanto is not a true language don't even bring that up.
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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6601 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
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What do you mean by not a true language? If it's spoken and even has literature written in it, it certainly has the right to be a language.
Although I didn't know it's an agglutinative one. Yes, it has a lot of suffices, but suffices showing shades of meaning and suffices showing grammar aspects are probably different, aren't they?? if they aren't then one can claim Russian is an agglutinative language for the same reason - it also has loads of various suffices.
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johntothea Senior Member United States Joined 6632 days ago 193 posts - 192 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Russian, Norwegian, Polish, French
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kinoko wrote:
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Your opinion is not needed in this matter. You bring up a COMPLETELY un-related subject into this discussion. Nobody cares whether you think Esperanto isn't a 'true' language or not. I think Esperanto is just as real as English. It started off artificial, yes. But people used different styles of speaking and took things from their native languages, and now esperantists speak very differently from the original language.
So um...learn when to keep quiet?
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LilleOSC Senior Member United States lille.theoffside.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6695 days ago 545 posts - 546 votes 4 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
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tmesis wrote:
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I have read that agglutinative languages allow speakers to express a lot of emotion. Personally, I like Korean better than the two popular Eastern Asian languages (Japanese and Mandarin).
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I don't think that is a fair statement. Yes, Esperanto was started artificially, but look at how far it is has come. Many people believe it should be considered a natural language now.
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tmesis Senior Member Mayotte Joined 6652 days ago 154 posts - 146 votes Speaks: English*
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orion Senior Member United States Joined 7025 days ago 622 posts - 678 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Russian
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johntothea wrote:
kinoko wrote:
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Your opinion is not needed in this matter. You bring up a COMPLETELY un-related subject into this discussion. Nobody cares whether you think Esperanto isn't a 'true' language or not. I think Esperanto is just as real as English. It started off artificial, yes. But people used different styles of speaking and took things from their native languages, and now esperantists speak very differently from the original language.
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Your reply seems a bit harsh. Is kinoko not allowed to voice his opinion, as you are? One might also argue that no one cares what you think of kinoko's opinion of Esperanto. I would not say that though, since it would not be very nice ;)
By the way, I happen to agree with you in that Esperanto is a valid language. It is spoken more widely than some natural languages.
Edited by orion on 22 July 2007 at 2:55pm
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