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JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6123 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian
| Message 25 of 31 06 January 2011 at 8:35pm | IP Logged |
Meelämmchen wrote:
I've read a lot of examples from the New Testament during the last week, which should exemplify (Attic) Ancient Greek grammar. |
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It would be interesting to post and discuss those. I imagine they are probably from the Pauline Espistles and possibly Luke and Acts as Paul and Luke were educated native Greek speakers--I know Paul at least used atticisms...
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6123 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian
| Message 26 of 31 06 January 2011 at 11:31pm | IP Logged |
JW wrote:
Meelämmchen wrote:
I've read a lot of examples from the New Testament during the last week, which should exemplify (Attic) Ancient Greek grammar. |
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It would be interesting to post and discuss those. I imagine they are probably from the Pauline Espistles and possibly Luke and Acts as Paul and Luke were educated native Greek speakers--I know Paul at least used atticisms... |
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I found the following quote which is very interesting in this regard:
Paul’s excellent education in Tarsus and in Jerusalem coupled with his tremendous study habits and genius IQ made him a great scholar. He was fluent in Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek and Latin. His genius can be deduced from his tremendous vocabulary, which he displays in his epistles along with a complete command of the Greek in all its dialects.
Paul communicated in: Doric Greek, Ionic Greek, Aeolic Greek, Attic Greek, Hellenistic Greek, and the Koine Greek. His epistles also display Hebraicism’s and Latinism’s. He was a classical Greek scholar as witnessed to the fact that he quotes 2 minor Greek poets in Acts 17:28 and a Cretan poet in Titus 1:12.
Edited by JW on 06 January 2011 at 11:32pm
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| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5084 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew
| Message 27 of 31 06 January 2011 at 11:31pm | IP Logged |
The parts I referred to are all from Matthew, quoted from an only word to a whole sentence and ranging from Mt. 13 to 29. I hope that helps, although it is probably one more step towards offtopic.
edit: I can't say a lot of about Paul's Greek, actually nothing. But I guess the quoted parts of Matthew contain those elements of Koine grammar that are still identical with (mostly Attic) Ancient Greek.
Edited by Meelämmchen on 06 January 2011 at 11:41pm
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6704 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 28 of 31 06 January 2011 at 11:56pm | IP Logged |
My my, this is supposed to be a thread about Modern Greek, and the discussion is all about old forms of Greek
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6123 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian
| Message 29 of 31 07 January 2011 at 12:18am | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
My my, this is supposed to be a thread about Modern Greek, and the discussion is all about old forms of Greek |
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Sorry about that. We have certainly gotten a bit off topic. However, for me, one of the most fascinating things about Modern Greek is that it has such an incredible heritage from Homer and before, all the way down to the present day vernacular. Modern Greek certainly has the richest pedigree of any language by far...
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| 1qaz2wsx Diglot Groupie Greece Joined 5374 days ago 98 posts - 124 votes Speaks: Greek*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Albanian
| Message 30 of 31 26 January 2011 at 10:07am | IP Logged |
Being a native speaker of Greek and no expert,I can say that some koine Greek texts are incomprehensible to me,while some others are remarkably similar to modern Greek and can be understood without any effort.I remember once reading a short passage from the Septuagint (translation of Hebrew bible into Koine Greek,3-2 BCE) describing how Egyptians treated crocodiles in various places of Egypt.In some places they ate them,in others they worshiped them.I was amazed at the similarity of this text with modern Greek.
This text was probably very close to the vernacular spoken at the time which in turn could be very close to modern Greek.
Edited by 1qaz2wsx on 26 January 2011 at 11:03am
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6123 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian
| Message 31 of 31 26 January 2011 at 2:57pm | IP Logged |
1qaz2wsx wrote:
I can say that some koine Greek texts are incomprehensible to me,while some others are remarkably similar to modern Greek and can be understood without any effort. |
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I actually have started a log here where I am comparing a Modern Greek translation of the Bible to the Septuagint and New Testament Koine. Your conclusion is exactly what I have found.
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