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BobbyE
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10 November 2010 at 9:45am | IP Logged

My teacher was referring to a system of martial training within the forbidden city that is commonly referred to as something in what I want to say is Cantonese because that's my teacher's native language, but it could also be Mandarin.

It sounded like "Da(rising) Lon(falling)" or "Dao Lo"? He said it means something like "Big Inside". Please excuse my ignorance and vagueness, as I don't know if my description is clear enough. Unfortunately I can't ask him again, because he'll most likely give me an enigmatic answer.

Does anybody have any ideas what the correct words are? I am trying to keep written down the Chinese words he uses so that I have them for future reference.

Thank you for your help.
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10 November 2010 at 10:52am | IP Logged

Taolu (套路) does not mean "big inside" and is just the practice of forms, so not something that is only trained within the forbidden city, but at least the sound is close enough.

Perhaps you could ask him to write it down?
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wuyou
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10 November 2010 at 11:22am | IP Logged

大内(da4 nei4)?

did your teacher talk about history or a movie or something related to the forbidden
city?
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jeff_lindqvist
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10 November 2010 at 3:21pm | IP Logged

大内 (Jyutping: daai6 noi6) probably is the word - 'n' is sometimes pronounced as 'l'. The Stephen Chow movie "Forbidden city cop" is called 大內密探零零發 in Cantonese, the transcription at IMDB says "Daai laap mat taam 008" and the translation "Big Inside Cop 008" - close enough?

I don't know which style/routine 大内 might refer to. Any fellow kungfu-people ("Shaolin"?) here?
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BobbyE
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10 November 2010 at 4:58pm | IP Logged

He was referring to a phrase that was commonly used to describe the combination of Bagua, Xingyi, Taiji, and some other styles used within the walls. His teacher's teacher's teacher came from there, and he brought it up because he has been able to get a connection to a centenarian that also trained within the forbidden city whom he will go and visit next month. I'm stoked because my teacher's kungfu is constantly improving, and his instruction is always attacking the point from a different angle. He usually will come back with new insight from a trip like this, nonetheless from visiting someone with the skill and background of this man.

I'll try to get the name from him again, maybe have a Chinese classmate write it down.

I think that Jeff probably has it right, Cantonese is most likely the language he used.

As I side note, can Sifu be translated as "Father-by-craft"?

(Cant' wait to study Cantonese)
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11 November 2010 at 3:05am | IP Logged

BobbyE wrote:

He was referring to a phrase that was commonly used to describe the
combination of Bagua, Xingyi, Taiji, and some other styles used within the walls. His
teacher's teacher's teacher came from there, and he brought it up because he has been
able to get a connection to a centenarian that also trained within the forbidden city
whom he will go and visit next month. I'm stoked because my teacher's kungfu is
constantly improving, and his instruction is always attacking the point from a
different angle. He usually will come back with new insight from a trip like this,
nonetheless from visiting someone with the skill and background of this man.

I'll try to get the name from him again, maybe have a Chinese classmate write it down.

I think that Jeff probably has it right, Cantonese is most likely the language he used.

As I side note, can Sifu be translated as "Father-by-craft"?

(Cant' wait to study Cantonese)

Theoretically you can translate sifu however you want but the kanji used are either 師
傅 or 師父 and 'art' isn't included in any of these kanji. I tried googling 大内　with　
the　kanji　for　bagua　（八卦）　and loads of pages came up. From my admittedly limited
knowledge of Chinese it would seem to be a compound that a Chinese person would use.

Edited by Joshua B on 11 November 2010 at 3:07am
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wuyou
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11 November 2010 at 10:23am | IP Logged

Joshua B wrote:

BobbyE wrote:

He was referring to a phrase that was commonly used
to describe the
combination of Bagua, Xingyi, Taiji, and some other styles used within the walls. His
teacher's teacher's teacher came from there, and he brought it up because he has been
able to get a connection to a centenarian that also trained within the forbidden city
whom he will go and visit next month. I'm stoked because my teacher's kungfu is
constantly improving, and his instruction is always attacking the point from a
different angle. He usually will come back with new insight from a trip like this,
nonetheless from visiting someone with the skill and background of this man.

I'll try to get the name from him again, maybe have a Chinese classmate write it down.

I think that Jeff probably has it right, Cantonese is most likely the language he used.

As I side note, can Sifu be translated as "Father-by-craft"?

(Cant' wait to study Cantonese)

Theoretically you can translate sifu however you want but the kanji used are either 師
傅 or 師父 and 'art' isn't included in any of these kanji. I tried googling 大内　with
　
the　kanji　for　bagua　（八卦）　and loads of pages came up. From my admittedly
limited
knowledge of Chinese it would seem to be a compound that a Chinese person would use.

try to google 八卦掌(bagua zhang) 形意拳(xingyi quan) 太极拳(taiji quan) etc
these are just name of some kung fu

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BrandeX
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07 December 2010 at 3:00am | IP Logged

It's kind of humorous in the west how people associate "Sifu" with
kungfu master" or such. Here (Guangzhou), we call the TV repairman, plumber, etc. "sifu".

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