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| Impiegato Triglot Senior Member Sweden bsntranslation. Joined 5434 days ago 100 posts - 145 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English, Italian Studies: Spanish, French, Russian | Message 17 of 47 06 January 2011 at 7:07pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't agree with you on the arbitrariness of gender in French. Frech nouns which end in -e or -on are generally feminine, nouns which end -tion are always feminine. Other nouns are masculine, including those ending in -isme. I think it is pretty easy to remember the exceptions and the system is in total fairly regular. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| deniz2 Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5153 days ago 53 posts - 62 votes | Message 18 of 47 06 January 2011 at 9:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm not talking about the grammar being difficult, I'd even agree Arabic grammar is easier than Russian grammar,
but I still believe there's a lot more of it in Arabic than in Russian, and I'd be surprised to see there are more rules in Russian than in Arabic, because it feels to me that there are fewers and more difficult rules in Russian, and a myriad of easy ones to remember in Arabic.[/QUOTE] I know that there are many difficulties about Arabic like script, handwriting (special rules for it), dialects. But I don’t believe that it grammar is hard. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Demiurg Triglot Newbie Turkey Joined 5073 days ago 12 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English, Turkish*, German Studies: Russian | Message 19 of 47 07 January 2011 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm learning both German and Russian and am at close levels in both. I can say with no hesitation that Russian grammar is a lot harder than German. There are two more declensions (Instrumental and Prepositional in addition to Accusative, Nominative, Dative and Genitive). The gender system is much easier, but then again you have more conjugations for words depending on gender, an attribute that lacks in German. For the anglophone, I figure that the pronunciation should be a nightmare. Especially Ы, Щ and Ж should seem out of this world to the anglophone. However, Russian has simpler conjugation as far as I know. The subjunctive mood in Russian should be much easier than the conjunctive in German (Which is split in two actually) and the perfective/imperfective is a lot simpler than perfekt/präteritum. Russian also doesn't have the "verb to the end" syntax in some subordinate clauses such as "weil" and "daß"
in German (as far as I know) and the absence of the nightmarish haben/sein helper word in the past tense. Then again, that is all from knowledge I currently have and it's not a lot, but I doubt that I'm wildly off. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Kounotori Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 5345 days ago 136 posts - 264 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Russian Studies: Mandarin | Message 20 of 47 07 January 2011 at 11:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Anyone who wants to rate the difficulty of Russian should first try to learn how to form past passive participles. Truly hell and back.
Oh who am I kidding, still hell with no end in sight. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5115 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 21 of 47 08 January 2011 at 12:24am | IP Logged | ||||||||
How hard on scale of 0 to 10 (ten being the hardest) and compared to aspects and verbs of motion? I'm dreading your answer… 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Kounotori Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 5345 days ago 136 posts - 264 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Russian Studies: Mandarin | Message 22 of 47 08 January 2011 at 11:25pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
(Warning: the following post contains some more or less awkward humor.) To be honest, I'd say that the passive past participle belongs to a totally different category than the aspects and the verbs of motion. When it comes to aspects and the verbs of motion, understanding and using them is the hard part, not forming the verbs themselves. On the other hand, while the meaning and use of the passive past participle isn't difficult to grasp at all, the formation of a PPP is a good way to get yourself to act in such a way that your neighbors are ready to call the cops on you. Yes, holding cell bunks are actually pretty comfy and I didn't even get vomited on by any drunks. Only groped. ---- A short summary of the formation of the Great Russian Past Passive Participle (Asspainimus pestis maximus; not nearly as endangered as countless Russian learners would like to think): - You can form past passive participles only from perfective verbs that take the accusative case. However, if you conveniently happen to be a 19th century Russian author, then you can form all the PPPs you want even from imperfective verbs. Dostoevsky had it good. - There are three exciting endings you get to choose from: -н(н)-, -ён(н)- and -т-. → -н(н)- is reserved for everything that has a stem ending in an -а (except double-stem verbs ending in -а). → -ён(н)- is reserved for all stems ending in a consonant (except в and н), -е and -и. With this type of stem you also get to perform amazing consonant mutations and titillating vowel reductions and what have you! Also, depending on where the stress is in the new PPP, the ё is actually е. → -т- is a rag-tag group of all the outcasts and misfits: double and triple-stem verbs belong to this group, as do stems ending in -в, -н, -о and -ну. - The stress in PPP-fied verbs can change or not change depending on how bitchy the verb is feeling at the moment of formation. Please be nice to the verb. - As with other types of the participle, PPPs, too, have short and long forms whose usage depends on whether you're using your hard-earned participle in a predicate or non-predicate position. - Oh, and one more thing, the PPP is far more common than all the other participles. It's also used in the spoken language, so you can't sweep that one under the rug and just tell yourself "Well, I recognize this form passively, that's all that matters, so knowing it at this level should suffice". 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Darklight1216 Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5101 days ago 411 posts - 639 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German | Message 23 of 47 08 January 2011 at 11:53pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I like your optimism. I wish more people would look for the positive side of the so-called "hard" languages instead of discouraging the people want to learn them. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5115 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 24 of 47 09 January 2011 at 11:47am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Oh that sounds lovely… Can you actually just learn them and their meaning separately from the rules? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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