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| marcelobrasil Diglot Groupie Brazil acantoneseblog. Joined 5076 days ago 44 posts - 65 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, English Studies: French, Cantonese | Message 1 of 12 10 January 2011 at 12:41am | IP Logged | ||
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I am new to the forum and I don't know wheter this is the right room, if it's not I apologize.
I have a question to Chinese speakers and learners( Mandarin, Cantonese or whatever): do any of you know where I can find transcripts in Chinese of historical speeches along with an English translation? Preferably, I would like to have an English translation to have a better grasp of them, but there's no problem if there's no translation at all. I'm interested in speeches such as Mao's, Zhou Enlai's, Den Xiaoping's or anything related to Chinese 20th century history : it can be passages from the red book, or famous letters or official documents, or passages from diaries of important political figures, anything along those lines. I plan on having them recorded in Cantonese and using them as learning material. Thanks in advance 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sun_Wukong Newbie China Joined 5080 days ago 34 posts - 46 votes Speaks: Portuguese* | Message 2 of 12 10 January 2011 at 4:58am | IP Logged | ||
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Some two weeks ago I read that most of those were not read in public, because those
leaders spoke putonghua with an extremely thick accent, sometimes bordering on mesolecticism, and a great part of the audience wouldn't understand much even if they could speak it like a tv host. If you know something about chinese sociolinguistics you can figure why. They were meant to be read, as vernacular chinese is universal. I don't know whether this is true or not. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sun_Wukong Newbie China Joined 5080 days ago 34 posts - 46 votes Speaks: Portuguese* | Message 3 of 12 10 January 2011 at 5:00am | IP Logged | ||
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However, I know an indonesian here who practices his chinese with CONTEMPORARY speeches
by chinese politicians. He has them on dvd and does that everyday. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| marcelobrasil Diglot Groupie Brazil acantoneseblog. Joined 5076 days ago 44 posts - 65 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English Studies: French, Cantonese | Message 4 of 12 10 January 2011 at 5:13am | IP Logged | ||
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I am not sure whether I understand you. The audience didn't understand them because the leaders who delivered these speeches did not speak Mandarin as a mother tongue and therefore had limited proficiency in the language?
I came across this site, that has some audios of famous speeches ( all delivered in Mandarin)http://music.ibiblio.org/pub/multimedia/chinese-mus ic/html/othertype.html#Speech Although I studied Mandarin for a very short while and am very bad at it, their pronunciation didn't strike me as odd or anything like that. Which aspect of sociolinguistics were you referring to specifically? And as for contemporary speeches, do you know where I can find their transcripts? That would be interesting too... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| lanni Senior Member China Joined 6264 days ago 102 posts - 156 votes Speaks: Mandarin* Studies: English | Message 5 of 12 10 January 2011 at 10:32am | IP Logged | ||
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* Selected Works of Mao Tse-Tung
five volumes, English version, download link http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/8970600.html online Chinese version : http://cpc.people.com.cn/GB/69112/70190/70197/70350/index.ht ml * SELECTED WORKS OF DENG XIAOPING (English version),download links volume I: http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/5422883.html?from=isnom volume II: http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/5422896.html?from=isnom volume III: http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/5422912.html?from=isnom online Chinese version : http://cpc.people.com.cn/GB/69112/69113/69684/index.html Here is the website you may be interested. http://cpc.people.com.cn/GB/69112/index.html After entering any of these virtual museums, click "著作选登"，you will see their selected works online, in Chinese. And this site has some English translations : http://www.marxists.org/ Edited by lanni on 10 January 2011 at 4:16pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 6 of 12 10 January 2011 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | ||
What I think he meant is that Mao (and others) had a thick accent because they didn't speak standard Mandarin. It's possible to have an accent (even a thick one) in one's native language. Wikipedia: Mandarin dialects Although Mandarin is considered the standard dialect, speaking Mandarin without the local accent or speaking Mandarin instead of the local dialect can mark a person as being an outsider or as someone who is not considered local. Thus most Chinese, including Chinese political leaders themselves, do not bother to learn to speak Mandarin with the official standard accent. In some cases, such as with both Mao Zedong, whose native dialect was Xiang Chinese, and Chiang Kai-shek, whose native dialect was Wu Chinese, this results in the political leaders' speech being largely unintelligible to large numbers of Chinese. One other consequence of this linguistic diversity, is that Chinese politics does not have a strong tradition of speech-making and a great amount of political discourse occurs in writing. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sun_Wukong Newbie China Joined 5080 days ago 34 posts - 46 votes Speaks: Portuguese* | Message 7 of 12 10 January 2011 at 6:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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Oh, I thought you had originally asked for audio! Desculpa, burrice minha. Transcripts
you can find easily, but are simplified characters ok? But back to what I was (uselessly) saying, an exception: there are those famous 1991 ones (two), I think those have even video actually. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sun_Wukong Newbie China Joined 5080 days ago 34 posts - 46 votes Speaks: Portuguese* | Message 8 of 12 10 January 2011 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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(and Jeff was spot on, that's exactly what I meant.)
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